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Yep. :phones: Nothing new.

I wasn't trying to be overly mean in my post. I did post what I do not like about some music I hear, though I also tried to not use over-generalizations. As in, I tried to avoid saying things like it should *always* this way, *never* this way, etc. I've heard some music "without melodies" that have sounded pretty cool, but I've also heard a lot that sounded really bad. In the drum and bugle corps world today, for example, there's a lot of corps that play "intellectual" music, music that's not immediately catchy or anything like that. And I personally hate it. Sure, it's technically clean, and all that, but the audience doesn't get it, and I would bet the ensemble doesn't always get it either. In some situations, this can be ok, but in other settings, like this one for example, it's not the point. As for instrumentation. What my point was, is that sometimes what might seem like a cool idea, because it's theoretically possible, can turn out to be a horrible idea because players cannot handle it with any proficiency. Sometimes, sure, try it. You just don't always have to push that part just because you can. I've written music that pushes instruments, plenty of times. But I've also learned that sometimes, it can result in a disaster, after seeing musicians take the music I had written and actually tried to play it. Some brilliant masterpieces push the limits of what an instrument can do. So, my point is, know what your players can do, then decide if you want push that or not. It's just like most anything in composition, you should know the "rules" first, even if you decide to break all of them anyway. I've heard some "weird" music that I like, that steps outside the box. Holsinger and Bernstein are two that come to mind for wacky, yet amazing music. Then there's other music that's wacky, and that's it, and for the most part, I'm not interested in it. So what I said is not an end-all statement. I've heard exceptions to everything I said that I legitimately enjoyed. As per topic, I mentioned things I've heard from composers that personally really bothered me. It was not meant to hateful or spiteful, and I apologize if you got that intention.

Wow, I didn't know it was that easy! I must be doing things wrong.

this

It's a pretty stupid stereotype, but whatever if they want to buy into it they can. I'm most interested in the actual stuff they do, not who they are.

All music with tones is tonal music. The phenomenon of tonal gravity can't be avoided. This is why schoenberg wrote pantonal, not atonal music.

What is the point in this thread really? I mean, we just going to whine over what another composer does? Why not just write your music the way you want to and I'll write mine the way that I want to? Seems ignorant to just sit and harp on each other all the time...

Indeed.

I was just sayin'... I looked at some of that stuff, and it doesn't look hard to write :) AND there are a lot of V chords

Well, I don't know about you, but I think it would be good idea to get into the movie music writing business. It's really not that hard to write movie music. Just get a good tune and put a bunch of V chords under it! So what do you think? Would you like to write movie music?