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You just asked a twelve year old kid who admitted, for the first time in this thread, that he may enjoy rock one day to shut the gently caress up. Nice. I'm sure you really opened his mind up with that one. If somebody does not like the defining aspects of a genre, you can bet he/she will not like most of the genre. You are talking as if there is no significant or real difference between genres when there obviously are. Great, composers cannot dislike a particular genre now. Finding merit in something doesn't mean you have to particularly enjoy it you know. You don't have to be an arrogant douchebag to just not like something. You have to be to insist that somebody else HAS to enjoy something you do, and insulting the person otherwise. I'll admit RRR's statement was inflammatory. But music composed from the classical tradition is more diverse and complex in terms of melody, harmony, form, and rhythm. This is an objective statement. "Pop" music, however, makes more use of timbre. Also notice that, unless I am mistaken, nobody here has said that classical music is superior or anything. All we have is people giving personal opinions on music. If you can't get over that, then YOU stfu. EDIT: I think RRR's last post may have just claimed the superiority of some music over another.

Well that was a bit ridiculous and uncalled for. He can honestly just decide not to like pop music. It is just a matter of tastes. If anything it is the other way around. Classical music in most cases is the more sophisticated and developed form of music.

Hey everybody! It's Morivou (Connor Lidell) here. I have been gone for about a year due to getting ready for college, and I realized that I never updated anyone on what I've been doing. Basically, I applied to, auditioned, and got a full scholarship to the Jacobs School of Music at Indiana University in Bloomington, Indiana. :) And, I am going to be a Composition major, obviously. I will continue to be a member here and post when I'm not busy... if that happens. But, I plan to be a part of the community still since I've finished the audition process and everything. It's nice to be back! -Morivou.

Heckel, stfu, seriously. Bad ideas need to be insulted. A genre does not have one damn effect on the quality or artistic merit of music. Sure, there's scrafty rock. There's scrafty classical. There's scrafty gamelan. There's scrafty everything. I am sick and tired of this bizarre divide as if music were something holy and pristine until "something" came and borked it all up. Not if you're a friggin composer. You can't just dismiss scraggy. That's not how learning or refinement of art and craft work. You HAVE TO be aware of everything. You HAVE TO find merit in everything. Not that it's your favorite; not that it's what you create necessarily; not even that you listen to it outside of an academic context. But you can't just be like "rap? more like crap amirite lololololololol :>" and be a serious, active, listening, growing participant in what you create. It's not that I am well-versed in jack, but it's that I can listen to bounce music and check out the rhythmic interplay; listen to techno and check out the timbres and types of sounds; whatever examples I give are moot, since it should be obvious to any student of music. Sure, you can't be an expert in everything, or even half of some things; but the patent dismissal of "pop" music is at the very least classist -- insert your favorite -ism for any others, I can at least think of one (oh dem niggaz, dey can't do nuffin rite! fuggin up dat old-tyme muzic with their negroe beats and infectin good white folk to lose thems culture in pop music in lieu of upstanding european compozers; kant evin build a guitar with a soundhole! how doez dat noize cum? an dere so crass -- all dey sing bout is violinse, secs, and hos!). I'm out of line here, for sure, especially as a WASP; but I can't explain the argument against "pop" in general as anything but a class/race thing. Please, convince me otherwise. Not to mention the absolute meaninglessness of the term "pop." That's been handled before, but I think we all know what's up. Prove this statement right now. Sophisticated? What the hell does that even mean? Developed? Riiiiiiight. So is, say, classical metal more sophisticated than power metal from the same time, since it's more intentionally less base? City of Glass (and Stan Kenton in general) might make a killer case study. Absolutely no apologies for the language or any implications. Believe me, most were edited out.

Well I see I've created quite the amount of brouhaha around the thread. You know what, I don't give a damn about Voodoo. I don't know him, just whatever. RRR: Thank you for being the kind friend you are :D Phil: You're entirely right. I don't know what I will be 10, 20 years from now. I mean in 4 years I could be driving around and in 10 years I could be married.... and I could come to appreciate rock music. But for now, I'm still going to croak when I hear electric guitar :P

You probably haven't even hit puberty yet and your brain is not fully developed, so I guess I can forgive you.

That's ok, you're young, you still have plenty of time to discover the glory of rock music.

That's not quite what I said.

You literally said that, just in fewer words: Do you have any idea how much music you casually dismissed simply by saying you "hate pop?" Do you have any idea how large the world around you is?