Thanks all for your replies, gave me a lot to think about. Having re-read my original post I have realised I ommited the fact that I was looking at popular music not genres such as chamber music also by "real" music training I meant more of a formal training such as attending a conservatoire or obtaining a degree in music (poor wording on my part). My original post was in no way a statement and is definitely a question so any and all replies are appreciated. Thanks