WolfgangSachs

Thank you very much JR for you comment which I just read. I am going to try it out asap. :-) thanks WS

Hello, I am a Finale 2009 user. Copying a 19th century manuscript I come across several bars who have a g in the base staff but an f written in the g staff. Of course I could solve this by changing keys and just simply put a G-key in front of these bars in the baseline but that is not an option. The idea is to render the typed out version as close as possible to the original one, hence I need to copy the notes as they are written in the manuscript. Therefore my question: how do I proceed to drag the notes from the base staff to the g-staff? Thank you all for your help W.S.

Sorry, I was uncomplete in my information. I use finale 2009. WS

Hi all, I am in the process of copying some 18th century manuscripts of one of the composers of my home town into a modern notation system. Anyway, some notes of his Alberti baseline run in the right hand staff. Instead of adding numerous adding lines to get to be able to write a g or an a in the F-key, I would like them written in the righthand staff. Changing keys from F to G is not an option. Is there anybody who knows how to force the notes of my lefthand to be visually written in the right hand staff. I presume I have to highlighten the notes and then to force them in one way or another to appear in the right hand staffline. Kind regards, WS

Hi all, Thanks all for your comments. What I did, as the project had to be handed in, although I was overdue, was to hide rest. I highlighten the rest and then through plug ins hide rests.... that did what it had to do. Anyway, thanks all for your comments. WS

Hello all, I have a question regarding pick-up measures and how to go ahead with it in Finale 2009. When I start a piece with a pick-up measure, I am supposed to end my composition with a measure equalling the number of beats minus those put in the pick-up measure, as you all well know. Hence, the last measure in 4/4 becomes 4/4 minus the pick-up (let us sau 1/4), hence in the example cited here it is 3/4 for the last bar. Although I have the pick-measure at the beginning of my piece (e.g. one beat), I cannot figure out what to do to force finale into a last bar of e.g. 3/4. Finale will automatically put a rest on the fourth beat. Hence my appeal to you all: how do I proceed technically in Finale to create a proper last measure. Thanks all for your reaction, WS

I have read your posting with the utmost attention. I fully understand and agree to the fact that this site is indeed for everybody. As said in my previous posting I can understand that there are circumstances for which no score is required and that it is upto the person who posts something to add or do not add a score. Nevertheless, I am glad to read the first paragraph of your answer that - if I understood it correctly - you a considering to add a visual reference whether or not a posting contains a score or not, which is a good solution as it keeps everybody happy: those who would like to see a score, as I, and those who believe a score is not needed. If the first group decides to consult a posting of a member who has not added a score, it is at that time there own decision; there will be clear indications whether a posting contains or does not contain a score. I, and I guess also several other people, will be more than happy with that solution. Thank you for the attention given to this topic. Kind regards W.S.

I read with interest the postings made here with regard to the topic I started. I can understand - perhaps even agree - with some of the elements which have been put foreward here; I even could agree with the element of improvisation which is - by the mere meaning of the word - not a compositional form for me but that is a totally different discussion depending on what one considers composing music; a discussion which is not the topic of the current thread. Opposite to TOKKEMON who states "The end music file is the music itself, not the eventual score's performance. ", I am the opinion that a score is very much part of musical composition. Not producing a score would be the same as a writer who just narrates the stories which emerge in his head, but never writes them down, or someone who claims to be a builder but only builts a house in his mind not using building materials. I do not think that you would consider a person a writer when he does not write down a single word or somebody a builder when he does not built a house with bricks but only in his mind. One can, of course, browse through the entire list of new posted scores and close those again which do not have a score added to the posting, which is very time consuming and I do not think that that is the main objective of this site. What astonishes me is the mere growth of people who do not post a score. When this would be limited to only a section of the site - the section mentioned by one of the mods as "Game and Film Music", I still could understand, but ... it seems to have become a general rule to put some music foreward but not post a score. Are we to go to a music culture where scores are to become obselete? If so, we are entering the world of one of my examples: the one where the builder builts a house without actually using building materials. I guess that we could also abolish courses like practical harmony, countrepoint or fugue writing because these corner stones of musical knowledge are, then, not longer necessary - and we could all spend our time on other, more interesting (?) things. I admit I am not the best of composers on this site - far from it - but I always thought we were all here to learn from eachothers music, from eachothers mistakes, from eachothers successes....at least I have. When the music of the members published here is only to become limited to a soundfile, I can as easily limit myself to daily visiting sites such as youtube and listen to the new files which are uploaded there; the difference between You Tube - or any other such site - and this one, where the apogee lies on exactly having a score at hand as well as a musical file - becomes non-existant... hence the other posting I made regarding similar sites to this one, where posting a score is needed. I could understand the absence of scores if we all were still to produce handwritten scores, but I guess that on a rare occasion, everyone here writes their music with some or other music notation program which easily allows you to make a PDF file. In short: I would really plee to have if not a score posted together with a music file at least some kind of recognition sign put in front of those files which have both elements, rather then only a music file or a YouTube movie which, in short, adds little to what once was the main objective of this site. Kind regards W.S.

Well, at least it would be, as calebhines states, a form of courtesy as to those who go to the different pages. One looses a heck of a lot of time opening pages to come to the conclusion one can just as well close them again as there is no score present. If a score cannot make obligatory - do not clearly get as to the why of that, but I can conceed to it - it still would be nice when one could see when opening the music directory which scores are with and which scores are without an indication. This said, when looking at the sibeliusmusic or finale showcase site, no postings are done without scores... When it is a rule there, why cannot it be a rule here? Admittedly, these two mentioned sites are the forums of the programs, but nevertheless... Kind regards W.S.

Hello All, Browsing the site, it seems that my topic has been discussed here at several occassions. Nonetheless, I would like to "re-open (?)" the case. Lately, at an increasing speed, there seems to be more and more postings which are done without a score being added. I know, by reading the older postings regarding this topic, that there are people who defend this attitude by stating that it is game or film music. I do not know much about this of music, so I am not going into discussion. Yet, most the large orchestral, chamber, piano and choral sections are generally those were the more "serious" (no offence ment) is being offered. It is astonishing how many positings there are who do not have a score. To be honest, I think it is not only a bit frustrating that there are people who are so paranoic as to not have the courtesy of offering a score - even a messy or a handwritten one as is the case for a recent posting about three sonatines - just because .... yes for what reason actually... that one would steal their music? I think it should be made obligatory on this site that if you want to post your music, you at need also to post a score. For those who are afraid of having their music 'stolen', let me tell you that it would take a trained ear but a few minutes to write down the notes which he/she hears, so... you could as well not have your music put on here in a MP 3 either. Why a score is needed? Firstly, out of respect for your fellow-composers who are on the site. If you do not post a score, you give the impression you treat them as morrons, as ignorant asses who are not able to read what you write. Secondly, it is always nice to be able to read at the same time as you are listening. Sometimes the music rendition is so poor that a score is helpfull in understanding what is played (I found at least one case like that, by just browsing through the site). Furthermore, one cannot always hear clearly the orchestration and for those who state they can... I challenge them to write out some parts of La Valse or Ma Mère L'Oye by Ravel, or some parts of the Fontana or Pini di Roma by Respighi to give only two examples. No, one cannot. Thirdly, having a score is much more accurate as to pointing out what is wrong either in orchestration or in technical settings. Indicating "about such and such time" leaves open a very vague area of speculation. Fourthly, those people who say that they are not prepared to post a score as it is still too messy or not good enough.... well, if your score is messy, your music is problably too... If you think we need to review your music only partly finished, why not give us a messy or partly finished score. Better half a spoon to eat a plate of soup as no spoon at all. Now, as to the board of this site: I can imagine that there will be a lot of people who will not agree with me as well as their will be a lot of people who agree. Cannot you figure out some kind of code that could be used ( a sign put in front of the title) indicating a score is present or not. It would make life a lot easier, for those who only read posting with scores. Thank you in advance Wolfgang Sachs

Thanks jr, I just did what it had to do :-). Great! Thanks a lot.

@ Treehunter and Nicolas: both systems as presented by you work perfectly. The only issue is .... all the pieces have to be in the same key. When not, the key signatures anounce themselves at the end of the staff, after the double final bar line. What I really need is what you describe but without the key signatures being announced at the end. Thanks for the suggestions already made; We are nearly there, just need to have you brilliant minds put somewhat further on this matter. Kind regards W.S.

Thank you Nikolas. I know you have a good knowledge of these computer programs. Thank you for your effort.

@ treehugger, I indeed meant what you highlighted: a title, a piece of music, a new title with a piece of music; a third title with a piece of music and so on. @ wayne-scales: thank you for the suggestion. I am going to try that tonight (have to run for school now). @ Austenite: they way I do it is to put a double bar at the end of my variation and just continue writing. Above the new variation I write "variation 1", "variation 2" and so on.It is how I found it done in most variations by the great masters.

Hello all, One of the works I presented here before were two of my Three preludes for Harp. The first prelude ends about half way a page. I would like to have the second prelude started on that same page, but no matter how much I search, I do not seem to be able to find the solution. I use Finale 2009 and would be gratefull is anybody is capable of explaining to me how I have to proceed. In general I want to have a lay-out which is equal to published music books: when a mouvement/work ends on a page, I want the second mouvement/work started on the same page, rather than having the remainder of the page left blank. Thanks in advance for your help Kind regards W.S.