Who is the best composer of all time? Look inside please!

Why wouldn't I listen to it? It was still his music. If he's this fabeled prodegy that he's claimed to be, his Childhood stuff should be just as good.

Bland compared to today's music. Sure, in his time, he was a harmonic inovator. But we're not talking about that here are we? Mozart hardly inovated compared to things like Beethoven and Mahler.

Well, feel free to spout rubbish about things you don't know, but I hope no one listens to you!

As to the first statement......uh, you're kind of defeating yourself there.

Why wouldn't I listen to it? It was still his music. If he's this fabeled prodegy that he's claimed to be, his Childhood stuff should be just as good.

Sorry, but that's just silly. Being a child prodigy doesn't mean you're better than the best adults. It means you are exceptionally good for a child. This is like saying that a 5 year old child that doesn't win the nobel price in physics can't possibly be a prodigy in physics...

Bland compared to today's music. Sure, in his time, he was a harmonic inovator. But we're not talking about that here are we? Mozart hardly inovated compared to things like Beethoven and Mahler.

Again, quite a silly argument. So we're not talking about whether someone was an innovator in the past, but whether he is now? Care to explain what Beethoven and Mahler are innovating today?

*Captian Obvious enters*

It seems like no matter what Justin posts, people disagree

I have no opinion on the matter since I skim these types of threads and don't read them, but I get the idea that person A is like "NU-UH!" and person B retaliates with "YU-HUH!"

Anyway......I'm going to write music

NU-UH!

Why wouldn't I listen to it? It was still his music. If he's this fabeled prodegy that he's claimed to be, his Childhood stuff should be just as good.

Bland compared to today's music. Sure, in his time, he was a harmonic inovator. But we're not talking about that here are we? Mozart hardly inovated compared to things like Beethoven and Mahler.

I don't see how Mozart's bland today or wasn't bland in his time. On what grounds are you saying this? Or is it just because he bores you? Mozart hardly innovated compared to THINGS like Beethoven and Mahler?

Why do you even post stuff like this? More trolling on your behalf or do you really believe what you post?

I'm not going to defend Mozart's importance in music history, because it's not my obligation to educate you on this seeing that if you can afford to have fancy websites and promote them shamelessly you surely have the energy to do some research before you post.

Beethoven is winning with 8 votes.

In 2nd place we have Bach with 7 votes.

And in 3rd place, Bartok with 5 votes.

Keep them composer reviews coming, because no one can judge a famous composer better than an amateur one can.

Well, it's me. I do apologise for keeping it so well hidden. It's just, it's just this flipping pesky fear of success that dogs me.

I'll get over it soon guys, hang tight.

Now what are the rules (cause, yes there are rules).

* You will only name 1 composer/name. No other

* You will give your reasons why (s)he is the best composer of all times!

* This is ONLY subjective so there is no reason to reply to other people.

* BY ALL MEANS. You will not bother to what other people say, or their opinion. You will not quote any other post about this one. This is not a debate. This is "give me your opinion"! All opinions matter. I will ask that you remain calm, and unflamatory through this thread please!

* Everyone would appreciate a based opinion, not only "I like his/her music". Stories, goes, technique, ideas, originality issues, (s)he was your parent, whatever...

See?

Second time in this thread I do this!

Everyone has an opinion. Don't quote other people, don't bother to what other people say, if you are to dissagree. Never mind!

Jesus, I mean, can't there be 1 thread without fighting, etc? You get the whole YC to do that! ;)

I still pick Mozart, because his music is just PERFECT.

It's like writing essays, it's not always the essays with the biggest words and most complex sentence structures that are the best. Sometimes those essays are wordy and sound like the writer is trying to sound professional. Same thing with music. Simple and clear are two very great things.

I can't pick. My pretentiousness forces me to pick someone with (an) interesting idea(s), versus someone who is moreso a "great," all of whom are of such high quality that it is impossible to decide between them...

Hildegard of Bingen? That split the difference?

The best compser of all time was Gog-ha-goo.

He lived around 120,000 years ago and was the first to use Mammoth tusks as Percussion. He also was the first to stretch the hide of a Sabre-tooth Tiger over wood and bang on it with the animal's teeth.

His piece titled Ugh ugh ou ugh is just legendary. He also used to bang on the heads of the women of his tribe with his wooden club and the resulting music was so melodius that he got laid that way most all of the time.

He was the the first rock star (literally) and the first groupies loved his enlarged brow.

A true genious of a musician.

Since I am only allowed to pick one I will say that Prokofiev is a close 2nd.

Ron

I'm tempted to say Zelenka. Very tempted.

Listening to his oboe trios can be an amazing experience. His large scale choral writing is in every way comparable to the best of Bach and Handel, yet with unexpected twists and turns and surprises which often predate succesive musical styles with visionary power. There's just something so very special and absolutely unique in his music; it is ingenious in form and symmetry, his melodies are astonishingly original, and his counterpoint is every much as fresh and enthralling and intelligent as Bach's (yet considerably more difficult; ask any oboist or bassoonist). He is truly a sleeping giant, and the discovery of his genius can be an extremely rewarding thing to a music lover.

I used to profess JS Bach's unsupassed greatness...until I discovered Zelenka. Now, I'm not too sure. Even Bach held Zelenka's genius in the highest esteem, and Telemann once reported in a letter that the Dresden authorities were keeping an illustrious Zelenka mass under guarded lock and key because it contained something "very special". Musicologists say that Zelenka's influence may have been the driving influence in Bach's penning of the Catholic B minor mass, after one of his visits to Dresden. Zelenka was Roman Catholic, and we know that Bach instructed his sons to copy out portions of Zelenka's masses and other sacred works for close study - sort of like Mozart 150 years later in Leipzig on his kness examining the Bach motets.

I'm tempted to say Zelenka. Very tempted.

Listening to his oboe trios can be an amazing experience. His large scale choral writing is in every way comparable to the best of Bach and Handel, yet with unexpected twists and turns and surprises which often predate succesive musical styles with visionary power. There's just something so very special and absolutely unique in his music; it is ingenious in form and symmetry, his melodies are astonishingly original, and his counterpoint is every much as fresh and enthralling and intelligent as Bach's (yet considerably more difficult; ask any oboist or bassoonist). He is truly a sleeping giant, and the discovery of his genius can be an extremely rewarding thing to a music lover.

I used to profess JS Bach's unsupassed greatness...until I discovered Zelenka. Now, I'm not too sure. Even Bach held Zelenka's genius in the highest esteem, and Telemann once reported in a letter that the Dresden authorities were keeping an illustrious Zelenka mass under guarded lock and key because it contained something "very special". Musicologists say that Zelenka's influence may have been the driving influence in Bach's penning of the Catholic B minor mass, after one of his visits to Dresden. Zelenka was Roman Catholic, and we know that Bach instructed his sons to copy out portions of Zelenka's masses and other sacred works for close study - sort of like Mozart 150 years later in Leipzig on his kness examining the Bach motets.

This is a quality answer.

Wilhelm Richard Wagner

Because he wrote incredibly beautiful works of massive intensity, expression and length. He also revolutionized the entire western music tradition, splitting it into wagnerians and non-wagnerians.

Gustav Mahler comes at a close 2nd.

He also revolutionized the entire western music tradition, splitting it into wagnerians and non-wagnerians.

I don't really like Wagner, but just to chime in on the history aspect of it:

Wagner was a great influence, but he was far from the only one. In fact, Wagner caused a lot of composers that came after or around him to deviate from his style as not to copy stuff that had been associated with his music. In such manner, you get Zemlinsky or Hugo Wolf, even up to Schoenberg, all doing very different things in an attempt to sound non-Wagnerian (which is really interesting.) Plus it'd be a mistake to say that Wagner had much to do with, say, the french tradition which was quite fine by itself with Faur

But isn't "trying not to sound like X" one form of being influenced by X too? Certainly people like Debussy had quite some dislike (not to say hatred) for Wagner and his music and wrote tons of essays about how much it sucked, but those people were still infuenced by him. It's obvious that, say, Pell

But isn't "trying not to sound like X" one form of being influenced by X too? Certainly people like Debussy had quite some dislike (not to say hatred) for Wagner and his music and wrote tons of essays about how much it sucked, but those people were still infuenced by him.

I meant to imply this, but my point is that it wasn't ZOMG WAGNERZ!!!!!! :>

But isn't "trying not to sound like X" one form of being influenced by X too? Certainly people like Debussy had quite some dislike (not to say hatred) for Wagner and his music and wrote tons of essays about how much it sucked, but those people were still infuenced by him. It's obvious that, say, Pell

I always think that Beethoven is the greater composer. The greater human creation is his 9th. simphony. Nor "principia mathematica" by Newton, is geater.

Beethoven is the most important people in human history. He has had growing up human soul.

I always think that Beethoven is the greater composer. The greater human creation is his 9th. simphony. Nor "principia mathematica" by Newton, is geater.

Beethoven is the most important people in human history. He has had growing up human soul.

what country are you from and whats your first language?

yes, Beethoven was great, but Mozart was greater. and im surprised by how little Chopin is being mentioned in the thread.

Eh. . . Chopin lacked variety.

But...but...it's Chopin...

His music is so...purty. I think it is very distinct which is why I think he is one of the greats, he found what he was good at and stuck to it.

P.S. I think I posted here before, but my opinion has changed...if you hadn't guessed I think the best is Chopin now :P

Chopin's style lacked variety.

His pieces are quite varied, though...

I always think that Beethoven is the greater composer. The greater human creation is his 9th. simphony. Nor "principia mathematica" by Newton, is geater.

Beethoven is the most important people in human history. He has had growing up human soul.

Madrid, huh?

You Spanish were never the best english speakers.

Chopin's style lacked variety.

Go study his Preludes and Etudes and you'll see that Chopin's stylistic breadth is actually much more varied than that of most of his contemporaries.