talib aswad Posted July 29, 2007 Posted July 29, 2007 I normally speak in a light (not necessarily high) voice and I've known for years that I am capable of singing easily anything from C below middle C to the A above middle C. Just recently I've noticed that I can go even lower to B-flat 2 octaves under mid C. I'm not uncomfortable in my lower register and I think with training I could develop it. However, there's a slight mental hurdle to get over in moving UPWARD into my higher register. Would I be considered a tenor or baritone and should I work on developing my lower range or not risk it? Quote
M_is_D Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Are you certain it's the Bb TWO octaves under middle C? If so, you are a bass, no matter how high you can go. Quote
talib aswad Posted August 1, 2007 Author Posted August 1, 2007 I'm sure I can make it that low but I don't sound very full or resonant. Should I stick to being a tenor or work on bass also? Quote
tenor10 Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 As a vocal music major, I would say develop into a baritone, that way you get your low voice that is in a comfortable reach, but you can also get your nice E4, F4, G4, or even A4s (Rossini, Figaro, The Barber of Seville) That is where I'm at Ive always been a tenor, but my voice voice is lowing and getting and more roundness making me more of a baritone. Hope this helps! Quote
Daniel Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 You sound like a tenor. I'll re-ask Tomas' question: do you mean Bb one or two octaves below middle C? Quote
M_is_D Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 As a vocal music major, I would say develop into a baritone, that way you get your low voice that is in a comfortable reach, but you can also get your nice E4, F4, G4, or even A4s (Rossini, Figaro, The Barber of Seville)That is where I'm at Ive always been a tenor, but my voice voice is lowing and getting and more roundness making me more of a baritone. Hope this helps! Hey tenor10, I'm Eb2 - F4, F4 is easy to pull off but anything past F#4 is difficult and strained. Any way to help this? Quote
tenor10 Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 Hey tenor10, I'm Eb2 - F4, F4 is easy to pull off but anything past F#4 is difficult and strained. Any way to help this? I would say that is you can hit a good Eb2 or anywhere around there, you would make a good strong bass, becuase you have a great low range and being able to hit C, D, or E4s inst bad either. great range. So yea, definetly, i think you should try training into a bass. Quote
M_is_D Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 On a good day and after vocalising, I hit a very powerful and vibrato-filled F4, but anything past that is CRAP :happytears: I can hit G4 but it's an ugly sound, although easily recognizable as a G. Unfortunately, I don't know how to train into anything :wub: Quote
tenor10 Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 Don't focus on your high range, focus on that great low range you have!! Quote
Mark Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 I'm a bass, but the lowest I can go normally is E2, however, once i managed to hit C2 clearly. Any ideas why this was and how I can do it again? Quote
BssnCapt Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 don't listen to any of these *****. Get a good competent voice teacher. Don't take lessons from forums - find a professional. Not some schmuck that lives down the street or some "school teacher" - find an actual professional singer (aka one that makes a living from it - and has a good resume) - show them you are interested, show them you are dedicated, show them you have a natural talent for beauty - and they will take to you, and teach you everything you need to know. Quote
Mark Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 Please try and put your point across in a more polite manner. Your point, which might've been a good one, will be ignored or not taken seriously and possibly even deleted due to your apparent inability to post sensible and responsibly. Quote
EldKatt Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 It's utterly impossible for anyone to judge whether you ought to be a tenor, baritone or bass without hearing you first, and I'm really surprised that nobody here has told you this yet (except BssnCapt, who was not polite). I have a friend who can hit freakishly low notes with passable strength. He's a tenor, though, and I definitely wouldn't try to convince him to think otherwise. However, if he posted his range in writing here, I'd imagine he might also be advised to become a bass. The conclusion is, of course, that I would not recommend taking the advice of anyone who hasn't even heard you sing. I hope this doesn't seem too impolite (I realize that I'm basically criticizing nearly every other post here), but I feel that this is a very important point to make. The fact is that none of us have heard you sing. Quote
Christopher Dunn-Rankin Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 I was about to say (after rebuking BssnCapt, who needs to realize that not just professionals may have professional knowledge - for instance myself, who is not a professional vocalist but has done extensive vocal training and study in preparation for writing for voice) that the male voice doesn't fully mature until age 35, and so trying to second-guess yourself at this point probably won't do anything. The best you can do is find performance pieces that work in the range you have, and use warm-ups and exercises to stretch SLOWLY both up and down. In reply the the previous couple posts: No, no one can tell you your fach just by looking at a range listing. However, voices really aren't that weird, or bizarre, or exceptional. If someone has a range from Eb2 - F#4, they have a bass/bass-baritone range. That's the way it goes. And "voice part" is technically determined by how low a person can sing, not how high. So your tenor friend, EldKatt, unless he's hitting these low notes by some extended technique and not his actual vocal cords, is not actually a tenor, but more likely a baritone or bass-baritone with an extended upper passaggio. I fall into this same category at this time (I say "at this time" because my voice still has 15 years to fully develop) - I am a lyric baritone with an extended passaggio to Bb4. When singing pop music, my passaggio extends into my upper voice, topping out at about Eb5. Because of this, I sing tenor, because the demographic split is about 80% baritone/bass-baritone to 20% tenors, and therefore they have need of me in a higher register. As for the original post: If you can sing a Bb1, you're singing in a bass range. Vocal part is determined by how low you can go, not how high. Plenty of basses have trained their voices upwards - but it's impossible to train a voice lower, because you're working with relaxed muscle. You can't relax a muscle any more than its natural state, or shape your vocal cords thicker on command. So my advice would be to practice your ENTIRE range, being VERY CAREFUL WITH THE EXTREMES, and let your voice keep developing into somewhere that it feels fully comfortable. Quote
Tumababa Posted August 4, 2007 Posted August 4, 2007 I'm a bass, but the lowest I can go normally is E2, however, once i managed to hit C2 clearly. Any ideas why this was and how I can do it again? Yes. It was probably early in the morning and if it wasn't, you probably hadn't spoken to anybody all day. I've hit Bflat1 in the morning before which is MUCH lower than my usual E2. Quote
tenor10 Posted August 4, 2007 Posted August 4, 2007 I would say that was just how warmed up you were, or you were sick. Ha ha. If you want to continue with the C2 just warm up down there, and sing around there, the voice should expand to always hit that note. Good Luck! Quote
Mark Posted August 4, 2007 Posted August 4, 2007 Yes, it was early in the morning, and within half an hour I was back to my normal E2 :P Quote
tenor10 Posted August 4, 2007 Posted August 4, 2007 OK IM SORRY I was just giving my opinion from seeing the ranges and considering all the limited information they told me, it was one person, and then 2 more people asked, and I'm sorry. OR COURSE you should get a teacher, always, if you are truly serious about singing, and OF COURSE you always need to hear the voice itself, but you don't have to come on here, and just totally bash people in the thead!!!! Quote
Melodeonman Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Speaking from experience just try different notes then once you reach the lowest note that you voice can take you will know whether you are a bass or tenor. I currently sing Bass for my local village choir and school senior singing group Thanks Melodeonman Quote
oboehazzard Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Tomas, you are a bass. I've heard your speaking voice. You are definately a bass. To the person who posted this, I would say train as a tenor. If it's easy in your range to get to a Bb, then you are a tenor. Are you sure we are talking about the same middle C? I know some basses that can't even go that low. Quote
M_is_D Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Tomas, you are a bass. I've heard your speaking voice. You are definately a bass. Except I can hit a F4 without warming up on the spot, and my tone doesn't sound like a bass at all. Quote
Jordan Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 to the poster : I would think a baritone. to everyone else, about basses: I just went through a vocal class that was part of a jazz program I went to. I am a bass, and I good one, apparently. ish. I have no formal training, but with no warmup, I can hit the C 2 octaves below middle C, which I think is C2. I have gone lower. I struggle to hit middle C, but after a warmup, I can just barely squeeze out that E4. all basses should be able to get a middle C, and most male singers have about a 2- octave range or less... or at least at the level that we are talking about. the problem is, most popular music, especially jazz type stuff doesn't utilize that low range, because not many people have it. apparently, talking with a vocalist who makes her living at the stuff, she said that a lot of the time, she only will get people in her classes that can hit a G and octave below the G below middle C... which is G...3? or 2..? I don't know. anyhow, she says that people who can come close to a C2 or even hit it reliably are rare. Quote
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