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The EXTREMELY hard task. Transcribing this Beethoven Parody, I need help please!!!


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I've tried transcribing this famous Beethoven Parody of the Theme "Colonel Bogey", but only succeeded in the first 15 bars. The key is in c-minor but its extremely difficult of what seems only a simple arrangement.

Here is the link to even watch this video of Dudley Moore playing on the piano, for vague placements of his fingers.

Can anyone help me? I want an accurate transcribed version of this, but no-one has the time or interest to do so. I've also tried using programs to do it but even my ear is better than ANY wav-midi converter.

Thanks.

JC.

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This is BRILLIANT!

I'm not sure that I have the time to do it. It's just too time consuming, as it's quite big a piece, and it's not so much the listening as the writting actually... (Not that I'm 100% sure I could do it all, at least it would take quite some time to get it right... I'm sure of that)

Still good luck with it.

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Yes, in fact I do. Dudley Moore was part of "Beyond the Fringe"- a British comedy stage revue in the 1950s. I love them for their hilarious works. They practically made fun of everything... take a look at this:

I'll try and find more if you like, but I think these are the only two videos of Beyond the Fringe existing on YouTube.

However in 2002 Dudley Moore tragically died to PSP (NOT THE GAME SYSTEM)- progressive supranuclear palsy.

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Update... Last three....

YouTube - Grooving the bag, Mamaa (Dudley Moore, Peter Cook)

Dudley Moore is the KING of comedy, Beyond the Fringe all the way!!!

Here are some life stories of Dudley Moore and his playing along with Peter M. Davis.

YouTube - PETER M. DAVIES & DUDLEY MOORE (1/2)

YouTube - PETER M. DAVIES & DUDLEY MOORE (2/2)

Dudley Moore's Jazz performance:

YouTube - DUDLEY MOORE TRIO Feat. CILLA BLACK

By the way... I have taken your advice and write it all by myself, and I have been up until 5:00 AM somedays...

Thanks for your inspiration, as I am going to focus on the writing myself.

If you have any suggestions on transcribing this fairly big piece let it out, I am all ears on music-to-paper writing suggestions.

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I took a portion of what is currently my copious free time and did some corrections (some purely notational to make it look more like Beethoven), as well as continuing until I got tired of transcribing from YouTube (which is really kind of annoying). I'm somewhat unsure of m 4, the r h chord in m 11, and mm 18 and onwards, but not so unsure that anyone could tell from hearing it, I guess. (A really noticeable thing is Dudley's l h Cb in m18, but that's probably a mistake.) Do what you like with it.

It is awesome, by the way.

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It's ok! :) bob_the_sane even I misread some posts.

By the way, EldKatt you did an awesome work... thanks for fixing my mistakes, now I have the inspiration to complete it. I can't believe somebody actually took the time to transcribe this cat.

Congrats to you!!!

I'll try to put a new edited one until bar 80, then maybe other people can help in this cool project.

I have cleaned up this score a bit, I think the cb was a mistake part of the c in the Ab 1st inversion.. btw, nice Finale Skills.

How on Earth did you manage to flip the stems on bars 3,4, and(group whole notes on 5). Also how did you put the bass clef in the middle of the bar? And how did the notes in bar 4 move to the bass? I gotta learn more man. The Finale Entry exercises never told you anything like that.

Dudley Moore's Beethoven Parody EDIT.MUS

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How on Earth did you manage to flip the stems on bars 3,4, and(group whole notes on 5). Also how did you put the bass clef in the middle of the bar? And how did the notes in bar 4 move to the bass? I gotta learn more man. The Finale Entry exercises never told you anything like that.

flipping stems: Go to the special tools and choose "stem direction tool". Click on the handles to change (first handle of each stem counts, unless not choosen, so whichever is clicked counts)

group whole notes: Either write them by adding note after note on the left hand, and delete the rest in the right hand (put a rest, and then "o" on speedy entry), or put the chords in each hand, and with the note mover tool (like a train, but not the mass mover one), choose the notes and move them down. Make sure that on the menu above "note mover" it is choosen to "cross staff" and not copy and replace, or whatever else.

Bar 4: This is 2 different layers. The black is layer one, the red is layer two. They are completely independant so you can have up to 4 different melodies on the same bar, same staff, not recomended though.

:)

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flipping stems: Go to the special tools and choose "stem direction tool". Click on the handles to change (first handle of each stem counts, unless not choosen, so whichever is clicked counts)

Or, if you use Speedy Entry (which you should!), just press L. As in "lift", the half-pointless mnemonic an old teacher of mine used. For the mid-bar clef, there's an option along the lines of "movable mid-measure clef" in the clef selection window. For much of the rest of the stuff, I used the note mover tool (cross staff) that Nikolas mentioned. You'll probably find more opportunities to use that. ^_^

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Damn! forgot that! "L" in speedy entry!

It's just that I rarely use it. I finish with all the notes, and then start placing them correctly etc. helps me to layer tasks one by one. First notes, then articulations, then slurs, then dynamics. anybody else works like this?

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Oh yeah. It's the only way I can make Finale work go reasonably smoothly and quickly. Although even then I feel the input of slurs and articulations, and even dynamics and text, is just horrible in Finale if you want to work quickly. I had to write out lots of alto sax and trumpet parts for a musical show some months ago (meaning lots of articulations), and eventually I found it was actually easier and faster to leave everything but the notes out in Finale, and then write articulations, slurs and dynamics by hand in the printouts. Maybe there are secret tricks that I've missed, but it's not my idea of user-friendly. In theory I much prefer Sibelius, but alas, having worked exclusively with Finale in school means I just do things a lot faster in Finale. So I guess I'm stuck.

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Damn! forgot that! "L" in speedy entry!

It's just that I rarely use it. I finish with all the notes, and then start placing them correctly etc. helps me to layer tasks one by one. First notes, then articulations, then slurs, then dynamics. anybody else works like this?

that's almost exactly how I work :O...though I usually do the articulations right away, since it's so quick and easy with keyboard shortcuts :P.

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Sorry for bumping back this old thread, but I, too, am interested in this briliant piece.

I downloaded the last Finale file in Finale Reader and continued in Sibelius (I don't have Finale) and I tried to continue a bit of the work.

This is what I have now:

PDF: Dudley Moore.pdf - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

Sibelius File: Dudley Moore.sib - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

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