to young prodigy

Thank you

*Nikolas bows and leaves the stage

WHEE!

Ehh... I actually agree with the Claudio.

I mean Nikolas, I liked your points, I really don't want to go into detail. But man created music. He created the musical idea not mathamatically or systematically, but emotionally. The first man to ever create music, he didn't need anything else besides sound to know that music could be made.

Bach or Beethoven did this too. I believe there is a point of originallity that is so amazing, it contemplates exponentially what music theory could contemplate. Although they can't be creditted again and again, because theories add up.

Whoever created the idea of music, or the idea of rhythm, or the idea of language was a smart person, the first bird to quack wasn't. Of all the music made in the last 700 years, it's hard to acknowledge before then and thank all the musicians for their service. Because we believe that we only relate to a certain number of composers from Bach to anyone today. Basic principal, man created music, and even though eventually some other man put a "stamp" on it and now we have to think that music is a tool, it's really something that all of us are creating every day.

And I agree with you. Because we talk about 2 different things a bit... ;) (not completely though)

I'm just questioning originality for the shake of originality, and learning or not learning for the shake of it as well.

I dout an ignorant person would be able to create something original. I doubt that anyone would be able to do that. And it doesn't really matter. You need to be true to yourself (where I agree with Claudio), thus authentic, but this doesn't take detachmenet from the rest of the world really. It means knowing yourself in connection to the society.

Other than that, for me, music is any oganised (or disogranised based on an idea,like aleatoric for example) system which produces sounds. It doesn't matter if it's good or bad, if it's rhythmic or not, if it's coherent or not, if it's with insturments, or kitchen utensils. It's all music. Tasteful? Hardly, but music never the less. ;) So music goes back to the begning of time, and language itself is music, only too used to it to think of it this way.

Certainly originality can exist, and Bach and Beethoven (and others too) did it to a point, but not by NOT KNOWING, but by trying hard to do it, and for a set purpose, not just for being original. At least my take to things. Originality is something I value, since it shows that the creator thought outside the box, and I value this as a skill, or attribute. But it's not the end of the world, nor I know a set receipe to get the best results in originality, and this is where I disagee with Claudio.

Use math for analyzing others. Use emotion for analyzing yourself. Of course do whatever you wish, I am only stating clear usages.

Everything is emotion, but we can take ideas from others to more communicate with them. Through music of course is what I'm getting at. There is a fine point that should be brought upon yourself (whoever is reading this, no one in general). Is music an art? Because if music is an art, then simply I could say you can make more of it with more of the recipe and more of the tools.

If you are more emotionally invovled with it, music can be your life. Like Beethovens life was music. He didn't create his life, but he developed it. He had no choice. It was his life. HIS music. He didn't create it, yet it's his. He obtained it somehow.

He developed his music with ideas of anyone elses. (Beethoven is kind of a bad example because he was more of a developer than a creator, and too forceful to have enough creative power. blah sorry....)

I do think that in a way he and other composers created. Creation is usually done unknowingly or by error just how a human dna gets "rarely" mutated along the way. It's done, in a broad process.

So I do agree with you too Nikolas. It's pretty hard to know for sure, since I haven't been to school like a lot of you geniuses (ha ha ha) I hope you still remember that thread. :)

P.S. I also know that you know a lot more about "music history" than I do because of schooling or life. So anytime I make a remark that is jumpy, if you can help me with it, it would be great. Thanks.

blah blah blah blah GINGER! blah blah blah blah GINGER! blah blah blah.

Nice one, but I probably understand more than you mate. ;) Do you have any idea what I do? Have you heard any of my music? They are readily available to my website (underneath) and also in various threads here. Why not check who you're talking to and decide if I really don't know what I'm talking about, huh? It would be easier than insulting me.

you could at least take grace in your knowledge you are more educated than he is, hoenstly there is nothing more annoying than a person who has gone through the education system of their subject, and thinks they are God's gift to the world.

"Do You know who I am?" Yes, you are the epitome of egotistical musicians who are really no different to the hundreds of thousands of other professional musicians

grow up

Did you check the quote above what you quote me for? He made huge assumptions about me, and called me ignorant, when all I did was to question his "facts"

You are also making assumptions about me: "you are the epitome of egotistical musicians...".

Yet again, just in case you didn't get it, as there may be a language barrier, and I'm not brittish.

you don't know who I am, yet you make personal attacks, and I have made none to you, or anybody in here, and you keep making BAD assumptions about me, my character and what I know and wrote. In reply to that, I will repeat, why not check who I am and get to know me a bit? Check my website to see my picture, and hear my music and read my bio and see my scores. This would give you a better chances of knowing who you talk to, no matter who he is (I am) literally and honestly.

I have no idea who you are and if you notice I say absolutely nothing about yourself, or even about what you write and only explain myself.

Would you like then to explain this hostility towards me?

I really don't consider to be the gift of any god or God, or any super being and didn't mean for this post to come out this way, but as I explained it. Still (once again) check my posts and see that I do try to help others and give proper feedback.

In all, instead of judging from one post and one quote and making personal attacks, check a bit and see that you could maybe misunderstand me or are misinformed to who you think I am (which you think I'm a prick or something).

Plus, yes, I don't consider myself ignorant when it comes to music, sorry if this seems insulting to anyone in here.

Did you check the quote above what you quote me for? He made huge assumptions about me, and called me ignorant, when all I did was to question his "facts"

You are also making assumptions about me: "you are the epitome of egotistical musicians...".

Yet again, just in case you didn't get it, as there may be a language barrier, and I'm not brittish.

you don't know who I am, yet you make personal attacks, and I have made none to you, or anybody in here, and you keep making BAD assumptions about me, my character and what I know and wrote. In reply to that, I will repeat, why not check who I am and get to know me a bit? Check my website to see my picture, and hear my music and read my bio and see my scores. This would give you a better chances of knowing who you talk to, no matter who he is (I am) literally and honestly.

I have no idea who you are and if you notice I say absolutely nothing about yourself, or even about what you write and only explain myself.

Would you like then to explain this hostility towards me?

I really don't consider to be the gift of any god or God, or any super being and didn't mean for this post to come out this way, but as I explained it. Still (once again) check my posts and see that I do try to help others and give proper feedback.

In all, instead of judging from one post and one quote and making personal attacks, check a bit and see that you could maybe misunderstand me or are misinformed to who you think I am (which you think I'm a prick or something).

Plus, yes, I don't consider myself ignorant when it comes to music, sorry if this seems insulting to anyone in here.

the question is not wether you are ignorant of music, you blatantly aren't. You do, however come accross as someone who holds their own abilities in the highest regard, with such statements as 'Do you know how i am?' come accross as extremely arrogant, and i don't particularily care for this, thank you for your review all the same

the question is not wether you are ignorant of music, you blatantly aren't. You do, however come accross as someone who holds their own abilities in the highest regard, with such statements as 'Do you know how i am?' come accross as extremely arrogant, and i don't particularily care for this, thank you for your review all the same

You didn't decide to read my post did you? You missed the whole post I made and the whole point I made. Here it is again, a bit more analytical, in case language barrier get's in the way.

I do see that I could come across as arrogant, though I'm deadly NOT one. the internet is hiding and you do decide to assume things about my character and my personality, while I do nothing of that, and speak of meer facts (and awful spelling probably, but not sure! :D)

Try again this:

Do you know who I am? I'm Nikolas Sideris, (a nobody) nice to meet you.

Does this make you feel better and that I'm not arrogant? Cause what I tried to explain is that the "who I am?" question was not "WTF do you think you're talking to? Do you know who I am?" ,but more "no, mate I'm not ignorant, and you do not know me, do you know who I am?"

See the difference?

finaly, I would advice you, if you may, NOT to make assumptions and attacks like this. you simply don't know who you're talking to. I could be the nicest guy, or your neibhour, or you girlfriend, or whatever. Don't take a single post and decide on my (or anybodys) character, or ethics, or morality, or personality or whatever. It definately is not nice, and not really correct (imo).

ahh, i can compeltely understand why i misinterpreted you, as english is not your first language, your english btw is very good, but as im sure you know from learning it, the grammer is difficult, when you say "Do you know who i am?" in this context, people, well i shall sepak for myself, see this as an arrogant remark, but yes i can understand, i apologise for the misunderstanding

Nobody cares about what some person in Japan thinks about you if you're all the way in Britain blah blah blah. Or where ever the he!! you are, just stop whinnng about it! This has nothing to do with the topic. If you were actually famous you would be getting so much more hatred so just zip it! Thank you. :toothygrin:

For some reason theres a big emotional problem on this forum and there are crappy rules saying we can't attack people. If you're being attacked or whatever stupid thing you want to write another reply about, just ignore it. If some one calls you a retard, whatever! Who cares? Just ignore it! Now that's not wasting anybodies reading time, is it?

No one is going to change their mind about who they are anytime soon.

Wait, why does this thread even exist?! A response to something Young Prodigy said, maybe, but I'm wondering if we need to merge it into another thread? This is just confusing.