I hate pop music

It's well known to all connoisseurs of Baroque music that Bach preferred the spelling "plebian". Those philistines at dictionary.com have neither culture nor brain.

It's well known to all connoisseurs of Baroque music that Bach preferred the spelling "plebian". Those philistines at dictionary.com have neither culture nor brain.

Oh really? I learned something new for the day. :D

I still say that using spellings that have been outdated for about 400 years is a tad pretentious.

In any case, he is amusing...parody or not. :)

"Pop-music" is noise for plebians to enjoy.

The plebian lot is using this noise for auditory massage.

With my intelligence and compositional abilities, I abstain from the auditory filth of the lower-class masses.

You are joking right... Please tell me you are joking!

Intelligence and composition are not directly related. If that was the case, Stephen Hawking would be an infinitely more accomplished composer than you, or anybody here (I assume) will ever be! I'll accept that generally classical music is listened to by a more intellectual audience, but I know some really intelligent people who simply aren't very musical, and therefore don't enjoy classical music.

after not-reading even the initial post or any of the numerous replies, I think that all I can say is..

..lal...

YouTube - Chicago - Sufjan Stevens

no?

YouTube - Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel - The Sounds of Silence Lyrics

no?

YouTube - Red Hot Chili Peppers - Venice Queen

no?

Dude - Venice Queen is the scraggy.

There shouldn't be a distinction between "pop" music and "popular" music, just as there is no distinction between "bad classical" music and "good classical" music - it's all just classical.

Pop music/popular music is any music that is written with the intent of being listened to by a wide audience for purposes of entertainment. In this way, some contemporary classical music is popular music (see Jennifer Higdon's Concerto for Orchestra). What I think separates the good from the bad is the amount of real thought that goes into the composition/arrangement/performance of said music. Take for instance, the following YouTube clips:

This music is not the kind of thing that can just be thrown together. The rhythmic and structural complexities exist, as do the melodic and harmonic ones. And yet it's designed to be heard by a wide variety of people, for entertainment. And it is entertaining, whether it's soothing on the ears, or grating.

I feel it's simply up to the audience to discern the good from the bad, according to their tastes. At the same time, it's up to the audience's friends to guide their tastes, because if someone grows up listening to Britney Spears, they're not necessarily going to like The Mars Volta - so folks, broaden your friends' horizons!

There shouldn't be a distinction between "pop" music and "popular" music, just as there is no distinction between "bad classical" music and "good classical" music - it's all just classical.

True...but the are distinctions between Classical and Baroque, or Bebop and Swing, just as there are between Pop and Rock.

The way I look at it there's: 'pop or popular' which is as you describe it, any music popular with the majority. THEN there's: "Pop" which (to me) denotes a specific genre of popular music - i.e. Britney Spears.

Just to clarify... :whistling:

now mainstream music is pretty horrible ill admit that.

However there is alot of experimental music out there that is very cool.

Also there is alot of folk music that is very cool too and the older alternative music is pretty decent.

just my .2 cents. Dont bash me

However in the end I think I prefer jazz over almsot everything.

It saddens me that this thread exists.

WHY?!?!?!? Why is is thread bumped again?!?!?!? Such an ugly thread in all acounts! Please leave it to die! Please! (So, I'm with eldkatt on this one)

I think that while this thread is ugly in parts, I think it's also beneficial.

First, it might bring in others who hate pop music, and while SOME members are unable to listen to the logic and reasoning behind why all music has merit, some others may not be so pigheaded.

Second, this (among several other threads of equal ugliness) helps teach one how NOT to discuss differing opinions on the internet. It helps one further define what they're trying to say. It seems that 90% of the time, most disagreements are a matter of vernacular choice. If one says "All music has this element" you're going to get ripped. However, if you say "It seems to me that all music has this element" you're still going to get ripped, but in a more respectful manner. Through all the pain and anger that these threads cause, composers grow, both by being exposed to others' viewpoints and by further understanding of what their own viewpoints are.

Well, that's how it seems to me anyway. :D

I think that while this thread is ugly in parts, I think it's also beneficial.

First, it might bring in others who hate pop music, and while SOME members are unable to listen to the logic and reasoning behind why all music has merit, some others may not be so pigheaded.

Second, this (among several other threads of equal ugliness) helps teach one how NOT to discuss differing opinions on the internet. It helps one further define what they're trying to say. It seems that 90% of the time, most disagreements are a matter of vernacular choice. If one says "All music has this element" you're going to get ripped. However, if you say "It seems to me that all music has this element" you're still going to get ripped, but in a more respectful manner. Through all the pain and anger that these threads cause, composers grow, both by being exposed to others' viewpoints and by further understanding of what their own viewpoints are.

Well, that's how it seems to me anyway. :D

well there's one thing all music has in common: the composer called it music. and if they didn't call it music, we have no right to either.

Well, I disagree. Music is something melodic. (be it tonal or otherwise)

I wont call noise music, music. Its just noise.

And Pop music is for the crowd. as opposed to ART music where we people here mostly compose. But It can be said some art music pieces are also unbashingly crowd pleasing.

Look to Handel's Hallelujah.

Well, I disagree. Music is something melodic. (be it tonal or otherwise)

I wont call noise music, music. Its just noise.

And Pop music is for the crowd. as opposed to ART music where we people here mostly compose. But It can be said some art music pieces are also unbashingly crowd pleasing.

Look to Handel's Hallelujah.

I guess African Drum Circles aren't music.

Of course-They arent.

I think many of your will disagree to this but heck, Ill stick to my guns.

Of course-They arent.

I think many of your will disagree to this but heck, Ill stick to my guns.

So something has to have a recognizable melody to be considered music?

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Unless you give me some well thought out reason as to why this is, or retract that statement, I will unfortunately have to disregard your opinion on anything from now on.

hmmm, is this a threat?

Nevermind, I see your point. I think I must think more before I post. But I still adhere to my bottomline that noise music, aint music.

hmmm, is this a threat?

Nevermind, I see your point. I think I must think more before I post. But I still adhere to my bottomline that noise music, aint music.

Ok, but African drumming isn't noise!

WHY IS THIS STILL GETTING BUMPED?!?!?

Apparently, people can just not leave this thread the f*** alone and, as long as legitimate discussion is going on, the mods won't close it. Quickly, everyone start flaming!

hmmm, is this a threat?

Nevermind, I see your point. I think I must think more before I post. But I still adhere to my bottomline that noise music, aint music.

the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unit

Now quit bumping lololz.