I hate pop music

I think everything has basically been covered. But what about the likes of Vivaldi, he rarely, if ever strays from I V i, chords in his compositions. Is this simple and bad music then.

He did more than that.......

But what about the likes of Vivaldi, he rarely, if ever strays from I V i, chords in his compositions.

lol

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Seriously, look at the music for more than the first two chords.

Country music does that.

I think everything has basically been covered. But what about the likes of Vivaldi, he rarely, if ever strays from I V i, chords in his compositions. Is this simple and bad music then.

Vivaldi is not the first person who comes to my mind when I think of classical music that doesn't stray from I-V-I, although I can sort of see what you're getting at.

Perhaps a better example may be the l

Pop music has become a dangerous, rapidly spreading "cultural virus", which gradually infects all cultures, reducing musical experience to the level of mere auditory wallpaper and eventually destroying musical intelligence altogether.

Honestly had you writen a book about this, with logical arguments, bibliography, research, study, etc, and not including your persona, biased, opinions, I would have little trouble accepting it as a concluding phrase.

Right now, you've done nothing towards that, so I can't really see the point of you going on and accusing pop. Not to mention, that thankfully pop is around, otherwise the world would be in deep, deep scraggy! :)

(Not that I don't see where you come from, but I simply can't stand huge generalisations)

...[in] pop music, harmonic simplicity is almost never compensated for by any melodic invention, contrapuntal richness or formal complexity, let alone emotional depth. So whereas a Schubert l

Wow has this argument really been going on for 4 + months. Gianluca have all of your posts only been in this thread?

Well,

me with 1300 posts and robin with 2275 have no such issues. We post continuously, wherever we can! :D

Seriously, as many of us probably told you 10-pages ago, if you actually listened to some pop music with an unbiased ear, you'd realize that your statements are full of scraggy. "Most pop music? Always simplistic?"

We know your position, please stop dredging it up by rehashing your weak and ill-considered non-argument.

Thanks.

Gosh, my previous post was mainly meant to address a comment made by Floydman, I just restated my general feeling about pop music to put that post in context. I know you've heard it already...

Oh and I actually did listen to a lot of pop music with an unbiased ear. But the more I listened to it, the more I couldn't stand it and the more I got convinced of my original stance that pop music (in general) lacks artistic merit. My weak and ill-considered non-argument? My statements are full of scraggy? Well that's just your opinion, pal. In fact I have given numerous arguments to support my opinion 10 pages ago or so (but you probably didn't even bother to read them), whereas you (and all the others disagreeing with me) haven't been able to come up with any convincing counterarguments that made me feel the need to revise my stance...

No Reth, I also post in other threads (duh...)

Who cares

Case closed

Oh and I actually did listen to a lot of pop music with an unbiased ear. But the more I listened to it, the more I couldn't stand it and the more I got convinced of my original stance that pop music (in general) lacks artistic merit.

Then, I suspect you were not listening with a an unbiased ear.

My weak and ill-considered non-argument? My statements are full of scraggy? Well that's just your opinion, pal.

I'm far from alone in my opinion, pal.

...I have given numerous arguments to support my opinion 10 pages ago or so (but you probably didn't even bother to read them), whereas you (and all the others disagreeing with me) haven't been able to come up with any convincing counterarguments that made me feel the need to revise my stance...

I followed this thread quite closely, and you all but ignored many arguments from many people, including myself and Nikolas (who had some great posts).

You're musically prejudiced and can't see through the fog of your own bigotry. Someday, when you grow as a listener, you'll get through it...

:whistling:

Who cares

Case closed

Too true... Sorry for perpetuating this lousy thread.

I would be brief: sometimes I compose some parts in my songs which have the pop cahracteristics in terms of melodies and stuff like that and I could get told anything, that it is not nice or whatever but I would get well mad if accused of being the creator of "fast-music" which I did not neither care nor feel.

Don`t like it? Don`t listen to it!

Teens listen to it so does that change anything to you?

Someday, when you grow as a listener, you'll get through it...

Or maybe YOU need to grow as a listener in order to see that most pop music lacks artistic merit.

Ok, let's close the case.

Or maybe YOU need to grow as a listener in order to see that most pop music lacks artistic merit.

Ok, let's close the case.

Maybe you'll grow up as a human and realize white people are the one true race...wait I mean...

Seriously if growing up is finding out that something really sucks, you got one messed up view of growing up.

There is a difference between realizing you do not like a style of music and that style having not to offer musically. Don't confuse the two.

There is a difference between realizing you do not like a style of music and that style having not to offer musically. Don't confuse the two.

*Angels sing*

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Or maybe YOU need to grow as a listener in order to see that most pop music lacks artistic merit.

:laugh: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I write pop music. :mellow:

Hey guys, I have idea.

Let's post Youtube videos and links to our favorite "pop"/non-classical/jazz music! I'll start, I'm a big Regina Spektor fan.

YouTube - Regina Spektor - Fidelity

I win, Gianluca! Your thread will now be filled with great pop musicians.

Great choice

YouTube - radiohead - paranoid android

*dances with a poppish flavor*

Perhaps what the he means is that music that is popular he hates :ermm:. I mean, there certainly is great pop music...but a lot of what is popular might not be what's good. I mean, considering today's pop culture I would tend to agree that too many people are idiots, and I doubt anyone else would disagree there (unless you are one of those idiots :shifty:)....it all depends on your perspectives, I suppose.

I dunno, I'm kind of weary of what many people listen to these days. There's good stuff in the contemporary pop world, but it seems like we have to wade through crap on the surface to find it :ermm:. Or at least I do :P....well, I do live at a university...and in the States....hmmmm....

Railing against popular music and scapegoating it as the downfall of classical music is probably one of the main reasons for classical music not being as popular these days. I think if you really feel that popular music is to blame then you should find creative ways to inject classical music into it. For instance, I like to take samples from classical pieces and turn them into hip hop tunes. Maybe if people who wouldn't normally listen to classical music heard it in a framework that they're comfortable with they'd be more likely to look into it at some point. Both forms have plenty of room for existence in our world and also have their own specific merits.

This kind of reminded me of a Coolio track where he used Pachelbel's Canon to build his beat around. The song was exceptionally popular and I doubt you'll find many people who aren't familiar with that classical piece or who don't enjoy it. Hell, that guitarist who did a rock version of the song enjoys the title of most watched YouTube video ever.

EDIT: Ah, I just thought of an amazing pop tune that I think you'd be hard pressed to write off as too simple or lacking depth. Any Elliott Smith fans here? I have an obsession with I Didn't Understand.

Railing against popular music and scapegoating it as the downfall of classical music is probably one of the main reasons for classical music not being as popular these days.

Nah, classical music ostracized the average listener by getting too complex and introverted for its own good. Jazz did the same thing.

I doubt that Steve who works at Burger King cares that musicologists, classical musicians, or music academia are 'railing against' pop music. I doubt grade 9 student Tiffany in Omaha subscribes to Perspectives of New Music or reads essays by Adorno. :whistling: It just a bunch of musical elitists soapboxing about the downfall of classical music, no one outside the airtight box you guys (classical folk who scallop about pop music, no one in particular) built for yourselves even pays you any attention.

I think.

Also, to inflict some more spectacular pop music - dig the harmonies, the counterpoint at 1:50. Stunning! And (holy scraggy) they did it without Autotune and teams of Swedish songwriters :O

Nah, classical music ostracized the average listener by getting too complex and introverted for its own good. Jazz did the same thing.

I doubt that Steve who works at Burger King cares that musicologists, classical musicians, or music academia are 'railing against' pop music. I doubt grade 9 student Tiffany in Omaha subscribes to Perspectives of New Music or reads essays by Adorno. :whistling: It just a bunch of musical elitists soapboxing about the downfall of classical music, no one outside the airtight box you guys (classical folk who scallop about pop music, no one in particular) built for yourselves even pays you any attention.

I think.

Also, to inflict some more spectacular pop music - dig the harmonies, the counterpoint at 1:50. Stunning! And (holy scraggy) they did it without Autotune and teams of Swedish songwriters :O

Oh I completely agree. I think a big part of the reason that it got so focused on complexity and introversion is because there was this elite attitude early in the 20th century where composers liked to think that their music was far superior to pop music and so didn't have to cater to the common person.

Wikipedia isn't always the most accurate so I take this with a grain of salt but what it says about Aaron Copland's early work makes a lot of sense (link). Jazz is another good example. Chick Corea was all about avant garde jazz early on until he realized that it didn't connect with the average person. He apparently came to the conclusion that the conversation between artist and audience was essential and, in my opinion, found a lot of balance between complexity and accessibility. He appears to be in the minority when it comes to people who write complex music. There's this sort of selfishness that says that it doesn't matter if the audience is affected by the music that I think leads to the introversion that you're referring to.

I know I've had many discussions with Varese fans about this. It seems that if the composer is so complex that only a few people get it, or think they do, then it's great and society is just on some sort of cultural delay. It turns into this big F-you to the common person who could care less about what type of cadence a composer just used or the theory behind serial pieces. You really can't blame people for shunning classical music when this is the stance of the artists.

I think I might have gotten off track there. But yeah, I agree with the introverted tendencies being the culprit. I just think those tendencies come out of this hatred and sense of superiority over the often simplistic styles in pop music.

Isn't this overlooking the obvious?

From about 1700 onwards, classical music was the pop music of its day. To take one example, had it not been for the captive audience desperate for auditory wallpaper, Mozart would almost certainly have failed in his efforts to become a freelance composer. We'd still be gasping when someone played a third or broke from organum. Most of the music classical afficionados admire would never have been written if its composers had failed to embrace their zeitgeist. Arguing that the some aspects of the musical status quo are stagnant and uninspired is all very well, but in light of precedent one should accept that the present is simply one aspect of a constantly evolving musical tradition. As long as music is changing, I am happy, even if I admit to hearing little or nothing in much modern music.

Isn't this overlooking the obvious?

From about 1700 onwards, classical music was the pop music of its day. To take one example, had it not been for the captive audience desperate for auditory wallpaper, Mozart would almost certainly have failed in his efforts to become a freelance composer. We'd still be gasping when someone played a third or broke from organum. Most of the music classical afficionados admire would never have been written if its composers had failed to embrace their zeitgeist. Arguing that the some aspects of the musical status quo are stagnant and uninspired is all very well, but in light of precedent one should accept that the present is simply one aspect of a constantly evolving musical tradition. As long as music is changing, I am happy, even if I admit to hearing little or nothing in much modern music.

I've always wondered how much correlation there really was with classical music in say, Mozart's time, and popular music today. It always seems to me like pop music is a new phenomenon that came about because of technological changes. It doesn't seem at all like it would be quite like classical music back in the day, which seems like it was relegated to those with money, or like folk music from back in the day, as it seems like folk music never enjoyed the type of popularity that music today is capable of achieving. I could be completely wrong though since I've never found any information where someone had actually looked into this.