Your musical place in the realm of music

Hello there,

So we all compose music and being artist most of don't just do it for the money or the fame. What i am curious about is what do you want your music idealy to mean in world of music(-al histrory). Do want to be the next Beethoven and lift music into a new era, do want to give classical music( in the broader sentence) back to the masses or do you want to leave the world something for the times after yours. Or maybe you do want the money and fame. Do you have a dream, a vision, or anything in between for what your music should end up being/meaning in the realm of (your specialist) music.

Gijs

I wish I had an awesome answer to this question, but of course, I don't. I never thought how the world would view my music after i'm gone. I suppose the main reason is that I simply lack the talent to have such an ego to even consider that possibility.

I suppose my own purpose is to bring some amusement to some people for some time.

I guess it would be nice that after I die, history says I was "important" in the 21 Century period. But I just feel I need to share my music and whoever hears it, get something out of it. I would LOVE to be famous! haha. But I would be happy to just have a small following and write great music.

I cruise around in my beat up beetle with the phat beats of my compositions sounding at ridiculous decibels.

And when my music consists of pieces for garbage truck and dog whistle, it's... ... ahfhghuowegsdg~

In all seriousness, I do the art thing because otherwise I'd go loopy. As far as my importance and being remembered? I hope that people who played my pieces and otherwise heard them, and people I've helped/taught found all useful and a positive experience. I don't care much for this in any event, since I'm more of a "the here and now" type of person, and trying to get all the junk done takes most of my time so there isn't much left for wishful thinking about my historical relevance.

money and fame is all i care for.

^ The honesty is respectable :)

As for myself, I want to unite everyone. LOL MISS UNIVERSE but seriously, I'd like to make everyone appreciate music of all kinds, instead of this "hiphop is not music" bullshit and this "classical music is boring" bullshit. In general, I want people to see things my way, and if they did, we might all be better off.

The second thing is, I want people to open up more to their emotions. I haven't done that much of it yet, but I'm all for sending messages with music. Like, pro-rights, you know, let's all get along, and such bullshits. I want to help.

The last thing is just that I want to entertain people.

I'm not at all concerned about money, but I would like to be well-known so, for one my music is more received and more appreciated, and for two that I feel I did anything worth something in the world.

I want people to see things my way, and if they did, we might all be better off.

:huh:

You're kidding, right?

:huh:

You're kidding, right?

that actually made me frown as well..

I see this threat turns out to be more as a joke. And don't get me wrong that fine with me. i like to laugh. yet one thing i do want to know though in more, not all, seriousness: what musical style do you want to be part of. Do you just want to follow the laws of classical music and try to get as good as mozart. Or do you want to combine modern music the late romantics. What i'm aiming for is what style do you want to ecxel in or do you to move towards. Classical baroque or maybe Bach and roll. The above mentioned styles are of course examples, not options of choise.

Nico will have the Nicolian style

Robertn the Robertnian style

Nikolas the Nikolasian style

gijs van beusekom the gijsian vanian beusekomian style...

And I'm not actually kidding!

Nico will have the Nicolian style

Robertn the Robertnian style

Nikolas the Nikolasian style

gijs van beusekom the gijsian vanian beusekomian style...

hopefully you will

(not kidding)

style is the only thing artist should strive for

(not kidding again)

even if you use 90 percent of pre-established music creating manner you should do it with style

(not a place for kidding)

kids are kidding unkiddingly

true, rules are made to be broken.

i aim for what sounds good, period.

style is the only thing artist should strive for

I'm still confused of whether you are kidding or not, but anyways: I disagree! There are so many cases of composers who are so focused on developing "their style" that it becomes more like establishing a brand than music. "Your style" shouldn't dictate what you write, and you shouldn't grow complacent with what you know and feel most capable of excelling in. For me, composing has a lot to do with constantly challenging yourself, exploring areas where you don't feel fully comfortable, and constantly trying to redefine your musical ambitions. If you focus too much on having a coherent style, you will cease to develop. It's much more interesting to see in -retrospect- that your works follow a certain line than trying to establish your whole future in advance. While Mozart may have a distinct style, I doubt his aim was to develop a style. It just happened. And even then he continued to explore completely new areas, such as with the inclusion of complex counterpoint in his late works.

Frankly, I generally find composers who avoid having a style much more interesting than those who strive for one. I'm not saying it's necessary to avoid it though.

T"Your style" shouldn't dictate what you write, and you shouldn't grow complacent with what you know and feel most capable of excelling in. For me, composing has a lot to do with constantly challenging yourself, exploring areas where you don't feel fully comfortable, and constantly trying to redefine your musical ambitions. If you focus too much on having a coherent style, you will cease to develop. It's much more interesting to see in -retrospect- that your works follow a certain line than trying to establish your whole future in advance.

Frankly, I generally find composers who avoid having a style much more interesting than those who strive for one. I'm not saying it's necessary to avoid it though.

gardener, that's quite close to what i mean to be a style (as opposed to learned (inherited) musical writting/creating manner)

"It's much more interesting to see in -retrospect- that your works follow a certain line than trying to establish your whole future in advance."

yes, it's true, style is not something that is most obvious. it comes in the end.

while speaking about style, i didn't mean an idiosyncratic manner (though it's much better than copy/paste manners and could be an inside feature of style) of creating, though in case of morton feldman you come very close to that (idiosyncratic manner of creating becoming a style).

of course, i didn't explain what i mean by style, but now you might guess that we are not so far apart on this matter, or are we? ;)

(trying not to be kidding)

Classical baroque or maybe Bach and roll

I prefer the term Ba-rock.

While I do love Bach. Baroque, and fugues, my place in the musical world right now is 'hobbyist'. I do it because it makes me happy. Would I want to affect people the same way Bach's music affects me? Maybe in a sense yes, but not strictly speaking. To me music is the language of emotional expression. Before I started getting into classical music, I was all about videogame music. You know, Megaman, Castlevania and their ilk. Sometimes those tunes could be surprisingly elegant.

Funny thing is, though, that the Dragon Warrior series is what nudged me towards Bach. I really don't think I'll end up leaving any sort of laudable musical legacy behind though.

So far my style is mostly baroque, and I've only sampled Bach. My mother used to play Chopin and a few others when I was a kid.

I guess if it ain't baroque, don't play it?

I don't have any huge ambitions. I don't think I'm going to be ground-breaking or have a huge artistic legacy or anything. I wouldn't mind a professorship or becoming a popular published band composer though. :)

I don't care if you call me overblown...I want to make the largest symphony ever even bigger than Mahler's 8th symphony, the symphony of a thousand, and after that I hope to be at least remembered for my accomplishment

we all have dreams.

So what are your musical dreams then? What would you all want to become musicaly, without the bounderies of realism.

to have fun, make a living out of it, that's all i want.

i feel no need to re-invent the wheel.

I want to reach a point where I no longer feel a need to compose (harder than it sounds with this impulse to do so) - then my musical journey will be complete (mentally at least), and I can enjoy being content.

:huh:

You're kidding, right?

that actually made me frown as well..

Not a bit, and you two are quite good examples for my point. :)

I don't think either of us have a problem with your humanistic goal to ''unite everyone'' (though it humours me slightly), but this:

I want people to see things my way

...is no way to behave in the subjective (also known as real) sphere. Shame on you! :angry: In the subjective world your goals make you nothing but a conquistador of people's perception.

Methinks there's no such thing as ''universal'' music. Only religious humanists like yourself think so. :innocent: :P

Just take Mahler's 8th, add a random instrument that doesn't play for the whole symphony, add an empty bar at the end and call it an "objet trouv