Voce Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 I know there's a tutorial on fugue writing here, and I was wondering if any of you could help me out with writing a chaconne. (I'm trying to write one for solo viola) Quote
violinfiddler Posted March 3, 2008 Posted March 3, 2008 I think that the basic principal in writting a chaconne is to have a repeating bass line. Actually, a lot of chaconnes are variations on a theme, with a repeating bass line. But I can't remember for sure. Quote
oingo86 Posted March 11, 2008 Posted March 11, 2008 No - a chaconne is a piece with variations on a chord progression, not a bassline. The latter would be a passcagglia. Writing a chaconne will only work if you have an interesting harmonic progression that you would like to repeat over and over again. ;) Then add voices and melodies on top, developing them and working with the harmonies underneath to create a unified piece. Quote
cygnusdei Posted March 11, 2008 Posted March 11, 2008 Just thought I'd share this wonderful video: Handel-Halvorsen Passacaglia Quote
virtualshock Posted March 11, 2008 Posted March 11, 2008 YouTube - Heifetz Bach Chaconne One of the greatest pieces of music written ever. If not the best. Odd I cant find the full version...... I would suggest a powerful progression, well what are you aiming for? Also lots of double stops, most chaconnes are quite demanding. It would be nice to know what you have in mind for your chaconne, what will be its character or mood? Quote
violinfiddler Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 No - a chaconne is a piece with variations on a chord progression, not a bassline. The latter would be a passcagglia. Writing a chaconne will only work if you have an interesting harmonic progression that you would like to repeat over and over again. ;) Then add voices and melodies on top, developing them and working with the harmonies underneath to create a unified piece. Oops. :blush: My bad. My VERY bad. Quote
EldKatt Posted March 19, 2008 Posted March 19, 2008 Nah, not that bad. The terms chaconne and passacaglia (and variants thereof) are used rather interchangeably in the real literature (some individal works even labeled differently in different sources). The formal distinction is essentially a modern invention. So write your chaconne over a ground bass, and you've done nothing wrong, except maybe upset a few dictionary enthusiasts. Quote
jujimufu Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 I'd say take a look at some of the chaconnes of the past. A great example would be Busoni's version of a famous Bach Chaconne. Incredible piece of music, very virtuosic, and it shows greatly how you can write differently over the same chords :) Quote
echurchill Posted March 25, 2008 Posted March 25, 2008 The ground bass or repeating harmony is among my favorite compositional techniques. Having a repeating harmony lets you focus on making interesting melodies and counterpoints and textures. Above all the focus is on varying every aspect of music - since the harmonies repeat, it is necessary to compensate with highly contrasting rhythms and textures. I would recommend some sections be little more than plain harmony, either simple chords or arpeggios. Other sections might vaguely ornament or fill in the chords with basic melodic tracery. And of course other sections should have strong, memorable melodies. If there are many instruments, be sure to have some sections with all instruments in dense counterpoint, other sections with homophony, others with just one or two instruments alone. Do the same with rhythm... it should vary from slow to fast. Many Germanic passacaglias and ciacconas start slow and gradually build up to a fast climax. Italian ones take a sectional approach using dance rhythms. Even the repeating bass or harmonies are usually varied. For example, you might use an occasional minor iv instead of an IV or have an unexpected deceptive cadence at a turning point. Many of the longer German organ passacaglias modulate to the relative major. Frescobaldi's One Hundred Variations on the Passacaglia modulates, I think, through d minor, F Major (and minor!), C Major (and minor!), a minor and ends in e minor! Don't forget you can switch to the parallel major or minor too. Of course you can't modulate too much if you want to keep the ostinato feel. If you instead have a repeating bass, add little ornaments to it sometimes, or move it to a new register or instrument, or let it drop out entirely for a few measures. Also as you vary all this, be sure that the phrasing does not always coincide with the beginning and end of the ostinanto. If this makes any sense, try to keep melodies moving across the cadences or else the music will feel choppy. Or you can organize ideas in larger chunks, like two repeats of the pattern, etc... If the piece is short you might be able to repeat each variation, or just repeat some. In my most successful passacaglia, I used a slow, majestic dotted rhythm in the beginning and repeated it in the end; the middle was fast and energetic. The ways these forms developed during the Baroque is a long story, and I don't have time to give my thoughts about it, but it is true that the chaconne and passacaglia were never distinguished then the way they are today. Whatever you want to call them, the techniques used are much the same. Quote
Zetetic Posted April 20, 2008 Posted April 20, 2008 This might give you some ideas. I thought it was a really interesting analysis: Passacaglia & Fugue BWV 582 Quote
Gavin Gorrick Posted April 21, 2008 Posted April 21, 2008 John Adams Violin Concerto movement 2 Nuff said Quote
oingo86 Posted April 21, 2008 Posted April 21, 2008 Henri Dutilleux - Symphony no. 1, 1st movement. It's a masterpiece of a Passacaglia, with the very distinct theme being heard throughout the orchestra, although starting as a repeated bass line. Check it out! Quote
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