Beethoven

Mozart and Beethoven

Also, how do I post pictures in a thread if it's possible? I don't want to make people register, then log in to myspace, to search through my page to find the 58 most common melodic solutions in western music.

Make a photo bucket account. Load your pictures onto that website. Then post a link.

Example:[img ]http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/Dofts/snowmanofdoom.jpg[ /IMG]

Just don't put the spaces

Ah, I have to upload to photobucket first. Gotcha.

Forgot to mention that these are written above, on and below the staff and all start on the pitch "C".

Dude...go here, and print off some staff paper.

Free printable staff paper @ Blank Sheet Music .net

And here:

Spangle Jumbo Size Learning Pencils | pencils.com

The above paths through the search space are based on these probabilities;

[url=http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh53/gongchime/RhythmProbabilitycopy.jpg

The one above the greenish one is a rhythm probability chart which assumes melodic rhythms cluster around the eighth note.

Time Cube

Sorry, I just had to.

Maybe not a totally fair response, but I still went: :D

I have absolutely no idea why you keep posting things like that. I assume that after the great acceptance and immensely positive reviews and comments of the first kind of attempt to analyse sound and pitch and language, you thought "why not, I'll do it again".

Well, I didn't bother reading through this one either - again, due to the fact that presentation does matter, and the subject you're talking about is of little interest to me. For one thing, if I wanted to read an analysis of Beethoven's music (apart from studying Beethoven's works on my own), I would go read a book by someone whom I know has some idea about what he's talking about. And whose handwriting doesn't look like a 11-year old's.

I did enjoy the drawings though. I loved the flowers and the pies the most, I didn't quite understand the "5G Meludic Solutions Most Common" one, but hey, what do I know..

To SSC: Time cube pwnage :P

Well... I'm not intelligent enough to want to read this one either, I'll admit. And the only reason I bother to point it out again is that I hope you might eventually see the point in writing more structured essays with headings, some kind of abstract, and so forth, because there's a possibility that I might find this interesting, if you even try to make it look worth reading.

Get over yourselves. You're never going to structure the internet. It's presented in an understandable form. You think you're going to make people jump through whatever hoops you want them to just so it arrives the way you want it? If everyone did that, there would be a need to provide it a million different ways for each person.

For future reference; my posts say what is in them in the title. That's all you get. If that's not good enough for you, too bad. They're not on staff paper. They're in my notebook. They're not in felt tip marker. They're in pen. There's reality and then there's you guys.

And you can stop wondering why they're posted. They're posted. That's all you need to know. If you don't like it, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it except whine publicly or click the red "x" in the corner.

You think you're going to make people jump through whatever hoops you want them to just so it arrives the way you want it

Mozart and Beethoven

You think you're going to make people jump through whatever hoops you want them to just so it arrives the way you want it? If everyone did that, there would be a need to provide it a million different ways for each person.

That's absolutely irrelevant to either your post or mine. Or anyone else's, in fact.

For future reference; my posts say what is in them in the title. That's all you get. If that's not good enough for you, too bad.

Again, that's irrelevant. I never criticised your titles or their relation to the content, but how you present what you want to say and how the topic you've chosen is uninteresting to me personally.

They're not on staff paper. They're in my notebook.

That's your problem, not mine.

They're not in felt tip marker. They're in pen. There's reality and then there's you guys.

I am afraid that I (and everyone else on the internet) am as real as you are. Accept that, and get over that "omg everything on teh intrawebs is not real", because everything on the internet is real, it was written by someone who sat behind a computer, a screen and a keyboard (and a few other things, like a mouse, an elephant etc), and typed it. Or drew it (if it's graphics). Or uploaded it (if it's a video/image). Or created a website. Someone did it. Whether with the help of a program or not, someone did it. You might not be able to touch the internet, and thus claim that everything on the internet is "fake" or "virtual", but on the other hand you can't touch music either. And the internet is as much waves as music is.

If you don't like it, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it except whine publicly or click the red "x" in the corner.

I am whining publicly, and I did click the red "x" in the corner, and then you're bashing me for whining publicly and clicking the red "x" in the corner, before telling me in the end of your anti-rant that I should whine publicly and click the red "x" in the corner. I think this is one of the things Oscar Wilde would have loved to witness...

In any case, I won't bother anymore, I've got other places to spend my time on. Unless you care a bit for the readers, the readers won't care for you (at least I won't).

You know? this all just looks like bullshit to me. I'd be considerably more interested in hearing how YOU as a composer can use it in some logical or consistant fashion to actually create music.

Care to post something instead of your crudely done drawings?

By the way, you might not feel that much of the criticism levied against you regarding the quality of the images you've supplied with your wall-of-text is fair, however, you're posting a VERY difficult to substantiate theory, with very little to back it up, and the first thing you post as a sort of substantiation is drawings that look like they were done by a 4 year old.

if you want anyone to take the time to read through your theories, and maybe, just maybe, take you seriously, you are going to have to learn to format your material in such a manner as to make it understandable, and supply supporting material in a format that is legible.

until then, I reiterate: bullshit.

You guys have it all wrong. All you have to do is get really, really, really, really, really, really, really, high. Then go back and re-read the original post and look at the drawings. Once the words start moving around and the circular charts start spinning, then you will finally understand it.

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Please, don't tell me that you're all so evil that you'll go so far as to denying the Four Cubic Fish of Opposites!

You guys have it all wrong. All you have to do is get really, really, really, really, really, really, really, high. Then go back and re-read the original post and look at the drawings. Once the words start moving around and the circular charts start spinning, then you will finally understand it.

The key to learning!!!!!!!!!1

Anyone can talk about repeating patterns and formulaic music but until I hear music written today that begins to approach the quality and depth of music by Mozart and Beethoven these theories don't really amount to much.

One of our modern day experts on classical music (as both a teacher and performer), Robert Levin, attempted to recreate some parts of the Mozart Requiem that had murky origins and the results were utterly horrendous. The end result demonstrates (rather painfully) that the degree of knowledge and analytical skill is not positively correlated with creative genius.

Was there a middle-eastern influence on western music from that period? Of course. In fact, Europe was going through one musical fad after another and they all played a role in shaping the music we hear today. Did the influence run deeper? Quite possible. The dominant religion of the time was of middle-eastern origin so how difficult is it to believe that some of the musical sensibilities were transferred as well. Having said that, the influence is not easily heard or proven since there are some patterns and rythms which are quite likely universal.

New pictures up in my pics' on the second page of my music composition folder showing how to combine the most common melodic cells at;

MySpace

Also, there is video of me sight-reading a resulting "composition" as well as a video of me playing the Balinese rebab which is a two stringed bowed spike fiddle at

MySpaceTV Videos: Most common Melodic Cells by Greg

and

MySpaceTV Videos: Rebab Music by Greg

respectively.

If these links don't work (probably because of the question mark in them) then just click on videos under the main picture of me at www.myspace/gongchime. Or conversely click these images from photobucket;

Here are the melodic cells written on clear plastic

Here they are strung together

Here's frater Greg sight-reading them.