Zorn

Was curious what y'all thought about John Zorn...

Some of his stuff I feel is genius, like the Book of Angels, Spillane, and some of his Filmworks, others I feel are just vehicles for his name...

I was wholly disappointed in Naked City :(

I, on the other hand, love his Naked city stuff - the bizarre juxtaposition of styles is fascinating!

The Filmworks are, for the most part, stunning, Goddard/Spillane, Book of Angels, Book of Heads (Marc Ribot is increadible!!!)...

His String Quartets are especially interesting!! Yah...

The Masadas are unbelievale....

I'm a fan for sure...

:thumbsup:

Old thread.... but I would just like to say that I am just getting in to Zorn, and it is pretty impressive.

Old thread.... but I would just like to say that I am just getting in to Zorn, and it is pretty impressive.

Hell yah! What have you been listening to!?

The first one I got was the Book of Angels Release with Secret Chiefs 3. It was pretty much awesome.. So I went for more and had a listen to some of the Filmworks series, which was also awesome.

I have also heard the album "the crucible" which is insane. In times past I have tried to get into Zorn, but stuff like this really put me off. However, I really enjoyed this album, as crazy as it is.

I've not heard too much Naked City.. only a couple of YouTube videos, but it seems pretty neat to me.

Ok.. Naked City's Self titled is awesome too

Eh, Naked City's only alright. I was really turned off by their Lonely Woman, just too straight rhythmically. I would say that he doesn't understand Ornette, but then he puts out Spy vs Spy.

Torture Garden's a much stronger (and more fun) album.

If you're into Zorn, check out a lot of the artists on Tzadik, his label. Some nasty stuff there.

Eh, Naked City's only alright. I was really turned off by their Lonely Woman, just too straight rhythmically. I would say that he doesn't understand Ornette, but then he puts out Spy vs Spy.

I'll buy that... I do like the original better than this cover, but overall the album is pretty dang hip. I checked out Torture Garden and it IS good too, definitely insane :)

The Crucible is an awesome album. Probably my favorite of what I have heard so far. It has a little of everything in there and is VERY entertaining. If you haven't, check it out:

YouTube - John Zorn - the Crucible - 9 X 9 - Marc Ribot

YouTube - John Zorn - the Crucible - The Initiate

YouTube - John Zorn - the Crucible - Shapeshifting

I'm certainly up for any suggestions

Like oh mah gawd it's lyke soooo weird! This doesn't sound like the music of proud Aryan cultures!!!! Formalist swine!

Like oh mah gawd it's lyke soooo weird! This doesn't sound like the music of proud Aryan cultures!!!! Formalist swine!

Gavin.

Why do you insist on participating in a conversation when you obviously know nothing about the topic and have nothing constructive to contribute?

If you don't DIG it, then kindly keep your mouth shut; conversely, if you want to explain your opinions and perhaps discuss why you're so dark on one of modern music's most valuable (and respected) composers, then again, I suggest you keep your snotty nose out of it. The big kids are trying to talk about music.

Another of John Zorn's MANY MANY MANY facets is his more classically oriented avant string stuff - the Masada String trio and his string Quartets.

Masada String Trio

And this record is an absolute GEM - some AMAZING writing for string quartet, highly recommended: Amazon.com: String Quartets Nos. 1 - 4: MP3 Downloads: John Zorn Quartet

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This (for whatever reason) is particularly enjoyable...not stringy, but amazing nonetheless.

John Zorn - The Ballad of Hank McCain - The Big Gundown: 15th Anniversary Edition | Deezer

@ Cody - you should check out Book of Heads! Marc Ribot is INCREADIBLE, yah?! He's easily one of my favorite guitarists.

Great!

I feel like I could go years only listening to this stuff just because it covers so much ground! There is formal avant, crazy hardcore, smooth(ish) jazz, crazy jazz, the filmworks stuff... and more.

By the way.. what is the Trio playing in the video?

Like oh mah gawd it's lyke soooo weird! This doesn't sound like the music of proud Aryan cultures!!!! Formalist swine!

I mean, that is how a lot of people (us? me, at least.) got into Zorn and the rest of the avant music. It was "woah this is weird!" And it's a very infantile understanding until you start studying and realizing where that weird comes from....

I think my favie Zorn disciple is Trevor Dunn... His Trio Convulsant put out two killer albums that are just amazing...

Though he does have the Patton dickishness...

By the way.. what is the Trio playing in the video?

That's his Masada String Trio... his Masada books are devoted to incorporating Hebrew and Jewish melodies, and the players are frequent co-conspirators: Greg Cohen (bass), Erik Friedlander (cello) and Mark Feldman (violin)...

That's his Masada String Trio... his Masada books are devoted to incorporating Hebrew and Jewish melodies, and the players are frequent co-conspirators: Greg Cohen (bass), Erik Friedlander (cello) and Mark Feldman (violin)...

misunderstanding.... I know who the trio is, but i don't know what they are playing :)

Most of their other stuff doesn't sound like that

misunderstanding.... I know who the trio is, but i don't know what they are playing :)

Most of their other stuff doesn't sound like that

Aha... :whistling:

It would be one of Zorn's tunes...possibly based on Jewish folk melodies. Most of the Masada stuff (the trio, acoustic quartet, electic whatevertet) are incorporating that sort of thing.

Helpful?

maybe?

Thanks

maybe?

Thanks

;) No problem...that was my long way of saying "I don't know what the tune is" ....

I checked out Ikue Mori.. also on Zorn's Tzadik label

Ikue Mori and Zeena Parkins / sound. at REDCAT pt. 1/4

I want her to tell me what she's doing, and how to do it. I guess she is using PD or MAX or something. anyway, it's pretty hip.

A while back I did some actual research for a paper and, as far as I recall, Ikue Mori uses self designed/built software...

I expect there's some interviews out there where she discusses her setup and methods.

Let's find them!

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@ Gavin

yes.. lets

two interviews

audio:

Ikue Mori on Spinning on Air|ART.CULT

in this one she gives a long interview with lots of music, and near the end performs something on her lappy using MAX.... I want it!!

I've been messing with PD.. but I'm nowhere near making stuff that sounds like that

text:

Ikue Mori interview- Perfect Sound Forever

not as informative.. but not too shabby

Would anyone be interested in doing some sort of over-the-internet free improv collaboration? I want to try to make some of this stuff, but I don't know any interested performers?

What I am thinking, is that we could draw up some sort of timed graphic score to give it some amount of coherence and then whoever is doing it can record their part send it in and then someone could mix it all together.

I play guitar, and I would also be interested in making some 'techno' bleep-bloop type stuff to go along with it.....

I have never done any type of online collaboration like this, so any ideas as to how to organize it (if, of course, there is any interest) are welcome.

Yes.

Yes.

There's a few ways I've seen it tried. First is just simply you have a score, you play to the times, and you just do that. I've also seen sequential recording, so that everything builds off of each other.

This is kind of what I want to do with my 10-tet, actually...

cool... I suppose if ONE person is interested.. surely someone else will come along too.

I think I'll start trying to organize something to this effect, and post it elsewhere when it comes time.

in the meantime, if you want to organize a recording / collab of your 10-tet, I would be glad to lend a guitar. All you would have to do is give out a recording to play along with that had a part or two already on it and the shouted syllables.. or at least just the syllables.