cjswhufc Posted November 26, 2008 Posted November 26, 2008 i have to do an electronics project which involes producing a circuit which plays a tune and i should use just 4 maybe 5 notes any more will get to complicated. i want to play the chorus of im forever blowing bubbles. i have no idea about music so dont know where to start to compose the tune with just 4 notes. could anyone please simplify it into just four notes i have the origonal sheet music sheet 1 http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x78/cjswhufc/bubbles1.jpg sheet 2 http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x78/cjswhufc/bubbles.jpg thanks in advance for any help Quote
Ferkungamabooboo Posted November 26, 2008 Posted November 26, 2008 the notes are F-G-F-E, which means 349.23hz-392hz-349.23hz-329.63hz (from Frequencies of Musical Notes) when you get done, post the schematic? I took a little circuits, and would like to teach myself a bit more. Quote
cjswhufc Posted November 26, 2008 Author Posted November 26, 2008 the notes are F-G-F-E, which means 349.23hz-392hz-349.23hz-329.63hz (from Frequencies of Musical Notes)when you get done, post the schematic? I took a little circuits, and would like to teach myself a bit more. thanks but which notes are F-G-F-E the notes look more complicated than that sorry but i dont have any idea bout composing or reading music im ok with doing the frequencys n electronics its just the music. Quote
Ferkungamabooboo Posted November 26, 2008 Posted November 26, 2008 Where it says chorus, the bigger notes on the bottom are the melody. The extra mark on the E (the 4th note) is a natural sign, cancelling out the key signature (the b's at the beginning of every line) Quote
cjswhufc Posted November 26, 2008 Author Posted November 26, 2008 Where it says chorus, the bigger notes on the bottom are the melody. The extra mark on the E (the 4th note) is a natural sign, cancelling out the key signature (the b's at the beginning of every line) oh i see what you mean now but what i need to do is the whole corus using just 4 notes so how would i do the rest using F, G and E plus another 1 maybe 2 other notes Quote
Ferkungamabooboo Posted November 26, 2008 Posted November 26, 2008 The whole chorus? can't be done with this song (with just a few notes). there are a number of songs that you could... but maybe bolanos's idea will help... just the first phrase Quote
cjswhufc Posted November 26, 2008 Author Posted November 26, 2008 The whole chorus? can't be done with this song (with just a few notes). there are a number of songs that you could... but maybe bolanos's idea will help... just the first phrase could it not be adapted it doesnt have to be pefectly like it just so its recognisable Quote
Ferkungamabooboo Posted November 26, 2008 Posted November 26, 2008 Well, you'd need 10 notes to get through the whole thing. But that's double what you wanted. Just looking at it, it's be hard to get the same idea with fewer notes. Quote
composerorganist Posted November 26, 2008 Posted November 26, 2008 Not expert at circuits but why not use the notes from the chorus with the longer note values (these would be ones without the flags attached to the stem or hollowed out (eg quarter, dotted quarter, half notes and dotted half notes). If you are seeking 4 notes that would make I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles recognizable, then this may not work either. And if you are truly desperate there is the 4 note motif of the first movement of Beethoven's 5th - would NOT be too original but it'd be recognizable. PS. This is a good case for classical musicians and sound designers/electronics composers to educate each other! Quote
cjswhufc Posted November 27, 2008 Author Posted November 27, 2008 thanks for your help but looks like im not goin to be able to do that song so i have decided to look for something more simple and have decided on "im west ham till" i do dont know if this is prodemantly american if so its a simple fotbal (socer chant) YouTube - West Ham till I die!!! i want to play im west ham till i die, im west ham till i die, i know i am, im sure i am, im west ham till i die i very much doubt i could find the sheet music so can someone help me with it im assuming it should be quite simple from my little knowledge i was thinkin for "im west ham till i die" C-D-D-E-E-F and for both "i know i am" and "im sure i am" C-D-E-E whould that be about right Quote
cjswhufc Posted November 27, 2008 Author Posted November 27, 2008 haha... dude, the audio on that video made my dogs go crazyI don't know the song, and can't hear anything in the video except for distorted screaming. Are there any better clips where you can hear it more clearly? lol thats prety much all the song is ther, is no music il try and find better one Quote
cjswhufc Posted November 27, 2008 Author Posted November 27, 2008 better version YouTube - Rs West Ham Till I Die Quote
Ferkungamabooboo Posted November 27, 2008 Posted November 27, 2008 Bb->B->Bb; Ab-Bb-Ab; Gb-Ab-Gb;F-Eb-F-Gb 6 notes :) Quote
cjswhufc Posted November 27, 2008 Author Posted November 27, 2008 Bb->B->Bb; Ab-Bb-Ab; Gb-Ab-Gb;F-Eb-F-Gb6 notes :) so what but would be what would it be like this Bb->B->Bb; Ab-Bb-Ab im west ham til i die Bb->B->Bb; Ab-Bb-Ab im west ham til i die Gb-Ab-Gb i know i am F-Eb-F-Gb im sure i am Bb->B->Bb; Ab-Bb-Ab im west ham til i die i not going to be able to use 6 notes any way it could be reduced to 5 notes Quote
Ferkungamabooboo Posted November 28, 2008 Posted November 28, 2008 I'm westham til i die Bb B I'm westham til I die Ab Bb I know I am Gb I'm sure I am Ab I'm westham til I die F Eb F Gb You could drop the Eb and it'd still make sense Are you doing articulations with the circuit or just the tone? Quote
cjswhufc Posted November 29, 2008 Author Posted November 29, 2008 what do you mean by articulations i tried playng that but not sure if its that recognisable, as theres only one or two notes per line is could u put more notes in with out using any more different notes or would it just not work Quote
Ferkungamabooboo Posted November 29, 2008 Posted November 29, 2008 Yeah, that's exactly what I mean by articulations. like using maybe capacitors to create a short build up time of the voltage? Or even something like an automated pot? these are just uneducated guesses, but i'm thinking that's what you need to do. but you want the note to have a ADSR curve (at the highest level; take out components) Attack: Time from 0 to peak Decay: Time from Peak -> secondary, lower peak Sustain: Time to Hold at secondary peak Release: Time from hold to 0 But that attack will make the articulations (what makes you able to discern one note from the other even if they're the same tone.) Quote
cjswhufc Posted November 29, 2008 Author Posted November 29, 2008 Yeah, that's exactly what I mean by articulations. like using maybe capacitors to create a short build up time of the voltage? Or even something like an automated pot? these are just uneducated guesses, but i'm thinking that's what you need to do. but you want the note to have a ADSR curve (at the highest level; take out components) Attack: Time from 0 to peak Decay: Time from Peak -> secondary, lower peak Sustain: Time to Hold at secondary peak Release: Time from hold to 0 But that attack will make the articulations (what makes you able to discern one note from the other even if they're the same tone.) the ciruit will just play the note it wont make it gradualy fade out if thats what you mean Quote
Daniel Posted November 29, 2008 Posted November 29, 2008 You could do all of God Save the Queen, or Ode to Joy with just five notes (say, C D E F G). They're about as recognisable as you can get. Not sure where you're from; maybe your national anthem would be suitable. Quote
Ferkungamabooboo Posted December 1, 2008 Posted December 1, 2008 the ciruit will just play the note it wont make it gradualy fade out if thats what you mean brutal... can you have the output just bounce on the note change? like have the capacitor be forced to discharge completely in a period of time? (::flings around a little knowledge like it means anything::) Quote
cjswhufc Posted December 1, 2008 Author Posted December 1, 2008 brutal... can you have the output just bounce on the note change? like have the capacitor be forced to discharge completely in a period of time? (::flings around a little knowledge like it means anything::) it will be kinda setup like a keyboard with siwthces as keys so i can keep repeating the same note Quote
Ferkungamabooboo Posted December 1, 2008 Posted December 1, 2008 See if you can't have an output off key as well; that way you can twiddle that for the repeats... sounds like you've got everything under control now :) Good luck Quote
cjswhufc Posted December 1, 2008 Author Posted December 1, 2008 See if you can't have an output off key as well; that way you can twiddle that for the repeats... sounds like you've got everything under control now :) Good luck yeh best start on making the circuit thanks alot for you help. Quote
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