matt.kaner Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 Hi Aniolel thanks for your messages, sorry for being a bit slow in replying. I'd be happy to help you out with counterpoint. Where would you like to start? Do you have any species books you can work from already?
Kvothe Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 Matt, 1. No I have no books that I have to work with. 2. I really don't care what we start with to be percise. What do you think we should start with?
matt.kaner Posted May 5, 2009 Author Posted May 5, 2009 Ok I'll have a look for some work. We might have to use some pre-existing online exercises as I don't have loads of time on my hands.
matt.kaner Posted May 5, 2009 Author Posted May 5, 2009 Ok if you could this online guide and then have a go at completing the following cantus firmus in first species that'd be great. Best to do your line below this one.
Kvothe Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 Here is my first attempt at this exercise Ex.1.sib Ex.1.pdf Ex.1.mid
matt.kaner Posted May 5, 2009 Author Posted May 5, 2009 Hi Anoliel - very good except for the penultimate bar - is that a mistake?
matt.kaner Posted May 5, 2009 Author Posted May 5, 2009 No - the part crossing, and the fact that you have a major second between the parts. Remember seconds are a dissonance, and must be prepared and then resolved. Have a look at this maybe to help you a bit.
Kvothe Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 here is the same exercised but i fixed the error. Ex.1a.pdf Ex.1(fixed).sib Ex.1a.mid
matt.kaner Posted May 5, 2009 Author Posted May 5, 2009 Ok great that's much better. Want to try the same cantus with second species? PS Just a PDF is fine for these lessons - no need to waste all your upload space!
Kvothe Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 sure I am in for it. So explain to me what is second species?
matt.kaner Posted May 11, 2009 Author Posted May 11, 2009 Hi Anoliel, Good work. There is only once glitch in this one: the B natural (second beat) in the fifth bar forms tritone against the F in the cantus. Sadly this is not allowed in species counterpoint, as the tritone is considered an outright dissonance and would have to be prepared and resolved by step. However, if you made this into a B-flat (I know it sounds weird but species counterpoint is weird), it would be ok. Another thing to be aware of is the shape of your line - try and create something that has more of a flowing melodic curve (or pair of curves), with a climax point. I know this is tricky but it makes good practice. Do you want to have a go at inventing your own cantus, minimum eight bars long, in a different key, and then writing a second species line to go with it?
Kvothe Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 I try that and post on here when I am done. Are we going try every species in two parts first before doing them in 3 and 4 parts? Because, if we are that will be easier for me to learn them in two parts before doing them in 3 and 4 parts.
Kvothe Posted May 11, 2009 Posted May 11, 2009 Here is my second take at this. This time I created a C.F. and the Counterpoint. Let me know, If there are any mistakes that I need to fix. ~Aaron, Aniolel Ex. 2b.pdf
matt.kaner Posted May 12, 2009 Author Posted May 12, 2009 Hi Aniolel, Thanks for doing this. What you've done in this one has highlighted quite a few problems that we'd better deal with. First of all I'll list the mistakes. 1) Bar 2 - fourth on strong beat (this is not allowed in this species) 2) Bar 4 - unprepared and unresolved fourth 3) Bar 5 - as for bar 4 4) Bars 5-6 parallel fifths across barline 5) Bar 7-8 parallel unison. I'm only going to detail briefly why these are wrong. I think we should stop species for now (it's not particularly good training), and get you study basic harmony that will sort these problems out for good. 1) Parallels - parallel octaves, fifths and unisons (with one or two exceptions in all the literature) are never allowed in tonal music. The reasons for this are complicated, but can be simplified to two reasons: a) when music moves in parallel octaves, unisons and fifths you are not writing independent parts. You have simply 'doubled' the voices. This is effectively the opposite of 'counterpoint' which means the contrasting of parts that move independently. b) Parallel fifths is a doubling that harks back to a much earlier era in music and was therefore avoided. It instantly evokes what is known as 'organum', and because it sticks out from the music so garishly it cannot be used when writing tonal harmony or counterpoint. 2) Perfect fourths are a dissonance like sevenths and seconds. They therefore need to prepared as a consonance first or occur as passing notes on weak beats. They must also always resolve downwards by step - neither moving upwards by step or away by leap is acceptable. Please read this (again if you have already) and really take it in. I'd then like you to read this and then this, and do the cadences homework as set in the cadences lesson. Ok?
matt.kaner Posted May 14, 2009 Author Posted May 14, 2009 Hi Aniolel - well done - this is good! Just one criticism - in the second cadence (in D major) you haven't got a third in the tonic chord - which you must have (there are very few exceptions to this - I can think of about three in the whole tonal repertory). When you're ready and have the time, have a look at this and do the homework.
Kvothe Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 I will have that a go sometime this evening and the following days
matt.kaner Posted May 15, 2009 Author Posted May 15, 2009 Hi Aniolel. These are great - except the IV-V imperfect cadence in E major. Because there are no notes in common between IV-V you can't have a tie - the second chord should simply be a B major triad with D sharp on the top. However, I should point out that IV-V is a particularly weak sounding cadence, you hardly ever see it used - and it's often by crap composers! The reason for this is exactly why you made a mistake - there are no notes in common between the chords, and the voice-leading sounds a little unnatural. In fact this a good opportunity for me to point out that generally speaking, root position chords a second apart, do not make good progressions at all. For example the progression I-ii-iii is one of the least musical and least convincing harmonic statements there is. If you wrote it in an exam you'd fail! So IV-V sucks! I-V or better still I6/3-V is much more common.
Kvothe Posted May 15, 2009 Posted May 15, 2009 thanks for pointing that out;I will go back and correct those mistakes. Possible make a stronger motion in those that are weak.
Kvothe Posted May 15, 2009 Posted May 15, 2009 I fixed the one mistake and change the chords instead of having a IV-V I changed to a ii6-V. T.H. 2.pdf
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