Crazy things in composition???

I wanted to know what is the most crazy thing that you have done in composition.

I know that if someone thinks something crazy for someone else may be not but now we are talking seperately for each one of you taking as fact that anyone have some limits.The ''crazy'' thing may be anything, from a strange chord, to a strange orchestration, strange rythms and so on.

Even if you are writing atonal music maybe you have done something crazy.

Now the most crazy think that I have done is that in a piece I put as final chord the (VI) insteed of (I) or even (V) that usuly used (in tonal music).

If you know any piece that NOT end on (I) or (V) please I wanted to know.

So...???

If you know any piece that NOT end on (I) or (V) please I wanted to know.

You need to use a little more imagination when doing 'crazy' things in music. Ending on the (VI) instead of the (I) or (V) is really no big deal, or actually it's no deal at all. In classical music the (VI) is used in exchange with the I, and although pieces do not end to the (VI) it takes very little effort to do so... ;)

In a world where people have written quartets for 4 helicopters, 5 minutes of silence as a piece, pieces for only unpitched percussion instruments, pieces where each instrument plays at different tempo, pieces where instrument leave the stage (actually Haydn has written a symphony which was accustomed for the orchestras to do that! :D Talk about an old idea), etc, there's little room for 'craziness' in music. And 'craziness' should hardly be the goal in music.

Music is about communcation, and thus say what you have to say through it, or never speak at all! ;)

Yes I know all of this each one seperately and you are right but..

I think you misunderstood me and the thread.

I made this thread to each one of us, here, and not for the world composers.

Craziness may be for a composer a thing that you might have done many times and it's usual for but you didn't tell what is yours...?

Even if the (VI) isn't a big deal this is my most extraordinary thing that I have done through I am tonal composer...yet.

I don't remember well if I'm tell something wrong correct me but when I heard some of your works where atonal right?

and if you wanted to finish in (I) you can't do this cause there is no (I) in atonal music.

I desagree with you that 'craziness' should be the goal in music cause the music has many other goals to achive, I think craziness is only to make an impression to audiance.

Thanks for your comment and a quastion immaterial to the subject

Are you from Greece???:w00t::D

"And 'craziness' should hardly be the goal in music. "

"I desagree with you that 'craziness' should be the goal in music cause the music has many other goals to achive, I think craziness is only to make an impression to audiance. "

I haven't done anything especially crazy. Though I don't think crazy is the "right" word. Maybe uncommon?

I said that craziness should NOT be the goal in music (should hardly be... blah blah).

I just put things into perspective, but I see better what you mean.

I remember I piece I wrote, for live instruments, where I tried to make it sound like a broken CD record, with small gaps, etc. Piece didn't work out well, only because there was no time for huge rehearsals... I disaster...

You are right my music (most of it) is not 'tonal' (neither 'atonal'), so it would be weird to finish in (I) (a C maj for example! :D). And yes, I'm from Greece! And you're from Thessaloniki! ;)

I wanted to know what is the most crazy thing that you have done in composition.

I know that if someone thinks something crazy for someone else may be not but now we are talking seperately for each one of you taking as fact that anyone have some limits.The ''crazy'' thing may be anything, from a strange chord, to a strange orchestration, strange rythms and so on.

Even if you are writing atonal music maybe you have done something crazy.

Now the most crazy think that I have done is that in a piece I put as final chord the (VI) insteed of (I) or even (V) that usuly used (in tonal music).

If you know any piece that NOT end on (I) or (V) please I wanted to know.

So...???

Well, no offense, but ending on a chord other than I hasn't been "crazy" for over two hundred years. Even in pieces in the classical period, there are instances of not ending on an I chord. By the time of Debussy, it could not even be clear what exactly the I chord was and after, the importance of the I chord became almost unimportant altogether (even in tonal music).

Regardless, I can't really think of anything "crazy" I've ever done in my music simply because everything I've done has been done way before and better. Lately, I've been writing ametrical music (or at least music that metrically modulates every measure or two). Wrote a piece with a large contrapuntal line based entirely on chromatically descending and ascending tritones. I guess that's kind of abnormal.

Well, no offense, but ending on a chord other than I hasn't been "crazy" for over two hundred years. Even in pieces in the classical period, there are instances of not ending on an I chord. By the time of Debussy, it could not even be clear what exactly the I chord was and after, the importance of the I chord became almost unimportant altogether (even in tonal music).

Regardless, I can't really think of anything "crazy" I've ever done in my music simply because everything I've done has been done way before and better. Lately, I've been writing ametrical music (or at least music that metrically modulates every measure or two). Wrote a piece with a large contrapuntal line based entirely on chromatically descending and ascending tritones. I guess that's kind of abnormal.

I never offenced :toothygrin:

The thread isn't for what John Cage and Stockhausen did, but what you did and what you did may be not the craziest thing on world but it's crazy for you or uncommon or unusual as you want...

I heared just now the Boat Across the Ocean ;) I will tell you what I think there...:D

I once wrote something in G major.

P.S. I'm not being sarcastic.

P.P.S. I also once wrote something in D minor.

I once wrote something in G major.

P.S. Before anyone thinks I'm being sarcastic: I'm not. I did and this is sort of crazy for me.

P.P.S. I also once wrote something in D minor.

You get the point ;)

I kind of make a point to write music specifically thinking in the most extreme ideas possible and things I never tried. For example, in around a week I may have composed a fugue in baroque style (but using an affect I don't normally use), a piece of process music (garbage truck and dog whistle?) and a pop-like song with lyrics and all (yay). It's not unusual for me to work on around four or five very very different pieces at the same time any given moment, lol; after all, I don't want to get bored with this whole composition business.

I once wrote a very short piece called "Estonian Frolic for Double Bass" that ended with the performer popping balloons on the floor with the endpin of their instrument.

It didn't go over very well.

I once wrote a very short piece called "Estonian Frolic for Double Bass" that ended with the performer popping balloons on the floor with the endpin of their instrument.

It didn't go over very well.

AWESOME

I once wrote a very short piece called "Estonian Frolic for Double Bass" that ended with the performer popping balloons on the floor with the endpin of their instrument.

It didn't go over very well.

:)

I imagine that's much harder than one would think. I also imagine it's hilarious to watch a bassist try popping the balloon, and fail.

The craziest thing I have done was my two electro-acoustic piece for voice and tape. The tape was human sound effects I did layered on top of each other.

Prior to that I wrote some aleatoric music for an out door prank concert.

:)

I imagine that's much harder than one would think. I also imagine it's hilarious to watch a bassist try popping the balloon, and fail.

Well, if the piece were ever to be performed in public, the balloons would need to be secured to the floor somehow.

I agree that watching them try and fail would be hilarious. It's actually pretty funny either way.

Well, I write plenty of atonal music, then usually, um, "majorize" it so to speak at the end. Like a C major chord or just transferring over to it. So, I guess you could say most of my music doesn't end in a I or V. :)

The craziest thing I have ever done was in a little piece I called Svalbard (Islands near the North Pole, belongs to Norway) In the middle part I have the violins playing behind the bridge and the bass banging on the wood with their bow, then the violas are behind the bridge and cellos on the wood. Also, in this piece I am working on, Hurricane Abigale, I have the highest note ever written for violin (top note on the piano) and a high Bassoon solo, with high English Horn as well.

Why would you even want a high English horn? Isn't that would oboes are for?

Once I tried writing a piece with a key signature of E-flat minor but the music was in C major, so there were lots of natural signs. I thought it would be hilarious but it was just a headache to write so i tossed it.

I once thought to write a song where the vocalist need to move the body very crazy and start screaming in a retarded way in a point of the song. I thought it as an effect for the song for complement the feeling of it. I have not done it yet.

To be honest... the craziest thing I have ever done in a composition is have the pianist play as many notes as possible on the piano as he could with any body part. lol.

Crazy things in composition ???

ok, here's one:

I made this nonsense years ago, the silly theme and the ridiculous huge orchestration, all that is obviously a joke.

Do you think it could exist a conductor with the enough amount of loonicy to collect all those instruments and perform such a thing ? ….. I don’t :laugh:

The "Full" Score

Some easy recording

The craziest I've done with my total of two semesters of theory is a Fr+6/V.

I wrote an experimental sketch for full orchestra in pi/4 time. Spontaneous ending super happy major mode section on a minor chord. Asking a Bb horn to play concert Bb5. That's about it for me.

Out of pure random curiosity, how did you write the rhythmical values of the notes in pi/4 time?

Crazy things in composition ???

ok, here's one:

I made this nonsense years ago, the silly theme and the ridiculous huge orchestration, all that is obviously a joke.

Do you think it could exist a conductor with the enough amount of loonicy to collect all those instruments and perform such a thing ?