Ness2022 Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 I want to write a song using the Aeolian mode. How should I go about choosing my key signature once I pick my tonic note? Quote
J. Lee Graham Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 Aeolian mode is easy, because it conforms to the standard minor key signature for any tonic. Example: For A, no key signature. For C, three flats (B-flat, E-flat, A-flat). For F, four flats (the above and D-flat). For E, one sharp (F-sharp). It works for any tonic. In other modes, it's not always so simple. You have to figure out which chromatics (black-keys) are involved in the mode on a given tonic, and figure it in from there. Sometimes there's no way to do it cleanly with a key signature, and you just have to add accidentals as needed. Hope that helps. 1 Quote
Ness2022 Posted June 11, 2010 Author Posted June 11, 2010 oh, alright, thank you! It's so simple :) Quote
J. Lee Graham Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 oh, alright, thank you! It's so simple :) Yeah, you picked an easy one! Thank God for small favours. :D Quote
Yasamune Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 I remember Bartok used some funky ones where it said C#, but no F# in the key signature. Think it was the Mikrokosmos Quote
J. Lee Graham Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Yasamune, I'm not familiar with Mikrokosmos. What is the tonic in the mode Bartok used? Since Bartok was very much in tune with (and influenced by) the folk-music traditions of his native Hungary, it could be he was trying to emulate one of the folk-modes he was familiar with, which may or may not conform to the classic Greek modes. Quote
Yasamune Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Nor am I Graham. I just remember I took a look at one and there was a C# sitting in the key signature with nothing else. I assume Bartok knew what he was doing cause I sure don't and am way too lazy right now to try and say otherwise :P Quote
bryla Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 That is the key signature of D melodic Minor... Quote
J. Lee Graham Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 True, if the tonic is D. Knowing Bartok even as little as I do, though, the chances are good that his tonic is F or something. *makes mental note to look up Mikrokosmos* Quote
bryla Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 So that would be Lydian #5... so? It could be any MODE from the SCALE D Melodic Minor. No need to be afraid of it. Quote
J. Lee Graham Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 Yes, but the tonic being F, for example, has its own harmonic ramifications: There is no standard key signature to denote this mode - either it has to have only a C#, or no key signature at all with accidentals. Quote
bryla Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 Yes.... and the problem? No matter what 'tonic' is perceived, and how you notate it, the source scale is the same Quote
J. Lee Graham Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Then I apparently don't understand what modes really are. * makes mental note to study more on the subject * Honestly, I thought the tonic had everything to do with it. Quote
Kamen Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 If you want to compose in, say, F# Phrygian, just use the key signature for the relative major (DMaj in this case). I would also add the text Phrygian just above the staff at the beginning. Quote
bryla Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 A mode is a scale derived from another scale by shifting the tonic. For example: The dorian mode is derived from the ionic scale by starting on the second degree. The Lydian #5 is a mode derived from the melodic minor by starting on the third degree. Quote
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