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Nico, I am saying this as a fellow human being, Grow up!

Well if he really was that bad and since Nico has no feelings whatsoever, I guess I'll just say that it's never good when someone dies. (even if he was a horrid composer)

You know it almost Impossible to tell whether or not your joking online, I got a hint you were being sarcastic, but it sounded alot like you meant it. You probably said 'less dull than a brick' because I can barely compose right? :) '

anyway, just try to be careful what you say sometimes alright?

Ligeti was a fine composer, as good as any, and his life shall have the same amount of respect as any other great composer.

I actually wasn't aware that he was still alive, so this certainly came to me, a shock.

Nico, you calling Ligeti a bad composer is like a first year physics student calling Einstein wrong simply because its too deep for his shallow understanding.

Ligeti was a great composer, certainly one of the best few still alive on monday. His music was amazing in that it was both very very deep and acessible to pretty much anyone with an open mind. From Lontano to Le Grand Macabre, every single piece of his involved the utmost in effort. He only wrote what he considered "high quality" music. As a result, his mature works are few in number, but vast in power.

Nico, thats horrible.

Ligeti's Etudes were spectacular works. He was probably the greatest genious in the last 80 years.

Even though I dislike a great deal of modern music, he is the only modern composer whos work I truly enjoy...

And i DOUBT that was sarcasm. :)

Yeah, I heard about this too. A sad loss. The man was an excellent composer.

I thought he died on the 16th.......

He was probably the greatest genious in the last 80 years.

Defined by what? I can think of a number of pioneering composers, geniuses all. This seems more a subjective interest in his music than a statement about his intellect. You can't seriously be putting him above people like Stravinsky, Ravel, Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Schoenberg, and Gershwin.

If it is contextualised, then Ligeti can be said to have been a great genius. I believe he was a genius and he certainly has a following who think likewise. Of course, like all composers, there are those who don't think likewise.

However, is he a greater genius than anyone on the list that you (johannhowitzer) stated? My personal opinion is no - though I don't think he is any less than a genius than those composers. There will be people who think that he is a greater genius than them.

I think people need to differentiate 'good' or 'genial' composers from those whom they like. I absolutely love most of Shostakovich's music but am not particularly bothered about Shoenberg's music. I still thing of Shoenberg as a genius of the 20th century.

What does it take to be a technically great composer? I would imagine that the answer to that is basically different from the question: what does it take to be a good composer?

Yes, that's why I said it seemed more subjective than absolute. I don't care for Schoenberg much either, but I realize he was a pioneer and a great intellect for breaking out of the systems of his day.

Indeed. I am always amazed, however, about the amount of people who are quick to write off Schoenberg (et al) without being able comment at all on his music or even a technique he used.

People are odd things...

No, I said that because you didn't know I was kidding.

I'd like to point out the level of Hypocracy here, Evan. You used to, and still do to an extent chastise me for writing more modern or post-romantic music. Here you say you love some Ligeti works. You have lost all rights to say you dislike anything I write now because it is "modern". You lose.

Nico... you can't be serious can you? I've seen a lot of your posts here and you'll have to give us a little bit of lee-way over the confusion. A lot of them seem pretty argumentative and just silly. If I'm mistaken then I apologize.

Evan has the right to like whatever he likes for whatever reason he likes. Just as much as you have the

right to not like whatever you like for whatever reason you like.

pity, i like some of his pieces. but being he liked or disliked the fact is that he made his way and left his mark on music's history, and that is not for everybody to accomplish.