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There is no good or bad in music. It's a factual combination of sounds.

There is, however, good or bad in Man's intentions behind the music he creates. There can also be neutrality in them.

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So, things react to sound. Better than saying "Music" has an effect, since this ends up being a redundant distinction.

I wonder if there's any actual scientific research done on the plants reacting to sound stimulus.

Music IS sound, there is a distinction between letting a plant hear an amount of HZ, rather than giving him a musical sentence.

there seem to be only research about the effect of sound, and the effect of certain symphonies and pieces.

While researching the effect of different scales, sequences, etc, etc. on plants can be an interesting discussion, this is really off topic, and really, really far from my original point.

Music has an effect on everything, certain forms and percussive elements cause people soothing and relaxing effects, other create violence and anger, which isn't good or bad, but it's a fact. Music effects everything therefor it can be used for both "good" purposes and "bad" purposes.

The plant example was just that, an example. I didn't have the time or energy to give more examples, which seems to be a good thing, seeing that every reply I got was under five lines long.

Also you can argue that death metal causes you a soothing effect and classical music pisses you off, but this can also be a psychological effect, This is why I took a plant as an example, it's much more primitive than humans and can serve as an objective point of view.

it's still primitive though.

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Music IS sound, there is a distinction between letting a plant hear an amount of HZ, rather than giving him a musical sentence.

This distinction being what exactly?

Also you can argue that death metal causes you a soothing effect and classical music pisses you off, but this can also be a psychological effect, This is why I took a plant as an example, it's much more primitive than humans and can serve as an objective point of view.

it's still primitive though.

Plants aren't any more objective about this than we are. It's not about primitive, plants have evolved just as long as we all have and are adapted to the environments they evolved in. Just like we are. If a plant finds some element in Mozart/ACDC/whatever good (or bad) growing stimulus, it has only to do with one of its mechanisms reacting to stimuli that it didn't evolve to deal with.

Whatever is behind those reactions needs to have a cause and this cause isn't necessarily related to music at all or maybe even sound. So really I wouldn't bring this up at all if we're talking about human beings.

Oh and the reason it'd be hard to have someone be relaxed at rock music or music that is very loud or aggressive is because since music cognition is linked to language, it'd be like saying you like to relax to the sound of people screaming. It's very difficult.

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This distinction being what exactly?

I can't be anymore clear on the distinction, I'm sorry.

Oh and the reason it'd be hard to have someone be relaxed at rock music or music that is very loud or aggressive is because since music cognition is linked to language, it'd be like saying you like to relax to the sound of people screaming. It's very difficult.

I'm sorry, I do not agree. And I can't find any papers in the internet that scientifically confirms this.

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I'm sorry, I do not agree. And I can't find any papers in the internet that scientifically confirms this.

But I have the sources for my statements and you can start with this, which is more of an overview:

Towards a neural basis of music-evoked emotions (Trends Cog Sci, 2010)

Then there are these papers that support my statement:

Universal Recognition of Three Basic Emotions in Music (Current Biology, 2009)

Overlap of Musical and Linguistic Syntax Processing: Intracranial ERP Evidence (Ann. N.Y. Acad. Sci., 2009)

Keep up with the literature, there's tons of new studies and things published on the matter in the last couple of years. But the thing with the language isn't new at all, see for example:

Bach speaks: A cortical language network serves the processing of music (NeuroImage, 17, 2002)

Not much a matter of opinion, now is it?

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But I have the sources for my statements and you can start with this, which is more of an overview:

Towards a neural basis of music-evoked emotions (Trends Cog Sci, 2010)

Then there are these papers that support my statement:

Universal Recognition of Three Basic Emotions in Music (Current Biology, 2009)

Overlap of Musical and Linguistic Syntax Processing: Intracranial ERP Evidence (Ann. N.Y. Acad. Sci., 2009)

Keep up with the literature, there's tons of new studies and things published on the matter in the last couple of years. But the thing with the language isn't new at all, see for example:

Bach speaks: A cortical language network serves the processing of music (NeuroImage, 17, 2002)

Not much a matter of opinion, now is it?

Touché, my friend. Touché.

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