Tokkemon Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 On Tuesday a very rare thing happened: conductor Alan Gilbert of the New York Philharmonic put down his baton and stopped the music after a patron's cell phone kept ringing in a performance of Mahler 9. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/12/ringing-cellphone-disrupts-new-york-philharmonic-performance/ The story is also available in many different news outlets. What do you think of the situation? Did Gilbert to the right thing? Should there be more measures to limit technological devices in the hall? Share your thoughts. Quote
Austenite Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 What Allan Gilbert did was absolutely right. He was just demanding respect for himself, the NYPO... and Mahler!!!!!!!! I only wish it had been the Sixth Symphony instead of the Ninth. Thus he could have used one of the hammerschlags on the cell phone and the other one(s) on its owner. Quote
Elizabeth Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 It irks me to no end when things like this happen in performances. I think he should have had the man thrown out....I mean seriously. You come to a freaking concert and don't turn off your phone??????? 1 Quote
SYS65 Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 He should have done this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygF8G8zXU3A 2 Quote
Austenite Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 SYS65: no doubt this guy deserved the 'third blow'. Quote
SYS65 Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Oh yes, if it would have been the 6th, conductor says to percussionist, "come on man, go and use the hammer with him" haha was in the 9th Adagio ? that's a mortal sin Quote
Austenite Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 was in the 9th Adagio ? that's a mortal sin Tantamouts to blasphemy in fact. Quote
xrsbit Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 There's no need to get self-righteous and overreact, guys. I thought what the conductor did was a little overkill. It's a pretty trivial thing to discuss either way. Quote
calebhines Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 As usual, there's more than one side to a story. If his story can be trusted, he had put the phone in silent mode. The technology's design and user experience are at least partly to blame here (as well as the man's unfamiliarity with a new device). I mean, who would expect a device in "silent" mode to be capable of making sound? Of course, after you learn about those kind of quirks, you realize that just being muted isn't enough. Of course, I turn mine fully off when I'm at the symphony. Quote
J. Lee Graham Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 As usual, there's more than one side to a story. If his story can be trusted, he had put the phone in silent mode. The technology's design and user experience are at least partly to blame here (as well as the man's unfamiliarity with a new device). I mean, who would expect a device in "silent" mode to be capable of making sound? Of course, after you learn about those kind of quirks, you realize that just being muted isn't enough. Of course, I turn mine fully off when I'm at the symphony. For precisely this reason, at times like this, and even when I'm in a rehearsal, I leave my phone locked in the glove compartment of my car. Something like this happened to me once: I had set my phone to silent during a service at church, and inexplicably the alarm went off. Turns out that the device was designed to override the silent setting when the alarm clock kicks in - most inconvenient in my case, but I can see why it does it. Since you never know when something like that is going to happen, whether the device itself does it for some reason, or you accidentally hit a button while it's in your pocket, or whatever, maybe it's best to just leave the phone somewhere else if you can. Quote
siwi Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Yup, same. I have voicemail precisely for when the 'phone's off. Unless the message is that my house is on fire or I am about to be assassinated, I can reasonably assume that responding to your call can wait until I have finished rehearsal/concert/driving/meeting/swimming/other concern. This story is almost certainly going to be filed under 'examples of classical music being pretentious and elitist' by those who love to hate it, despite the conductor being completely right to protest. Silence from an audience is considered to be as much a part of a modern concert as the opposite is at a sports match. Quote
kvitske Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 The right to use a cell phone has to be earned, imo. Earned by, for example, not using it while you're out eating with someone, not using it whilst in a conversation and making sure it is completely off when it should be, like in a concert, be it a concert by aunt Mary and uncle James on the piano in the local bar, or the New York Philharmonic... Quote
Kalea Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 This is interesting and all, but it's not that it's the only such precedent in history. Can't help but mention Franz Liszt who stopped playing when Nicholas I of Russia started talking with his adjutants. (Needless to say, he became a persona non grata in Saint-Petersburg since then! :nod:) Quote
Austenite Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 I wonder what Cage would say :) Probably that it was just a 'slightly different' version of Mahler's - one that most people didn't knew. Or perhaps he'd take pride on the fact that a Mahler performance was interrupted by the sudden performance of one of his own works... Quote
ahoskin1 Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 I guess it raises interesting questions...what about fireworks during the 1812 Overture? Surely just another external noise not originally scored by the composer...I'm only playing Devil's advocate :) Quote
Austenite Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 I guess it raises interesting questions...what about fireworks during the 1812 Overture? Surely just another external noise not originally scored by the composer...I'm only playing Devil's advocate :) He did score cannon shots. And I think he did allow for the use of fireworks, despite not "scoring" them. Quote
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