KahliaSkye Posted May 14, 2012 Posted May 14, 2012 Hey Everyone, This has been a long time in the woodwork, but recently I discovered that out of everything (and there were a lot of possibilities), I really want to become a film composer. I was wondering if anyone has any tips/advice on how to go about it. I'm in a pretty small country (New Zealand), and I'm not so sure how helpful a three-year course would be in really equipping me for this (time, money, and where I am in the world - we travel a lot - are also considerations), and whether I'd actually get a job at the end of it. So I would really appreciate your insights and experience on this. So fire away! :) Cheers, and thank you very much in advance! KahliaSkye Quote
Austenite Posted May 14, 2012 Posted May 14, 2012 There are quite a few YC members who are into film composing, so there's a good chance that they might give you their experienced advice. Now, if you've got three years of study before you, all the better - you should take full advantage of them, not only to learn, but also to network. You'll probably run into someone who is already into films or who is connected to a film producer. But first and foremost, you'll want to hone your composing skills and be able to create sensible moods with your music, so this time is also on your side. This same question has been asked several times in YC's forums, so I'd advice you to take a look to older topics and benefit from what was commented on this same issue. Good luck! 2 Quote
Kvothe Posted May 14, 2012 Posted May 14, 2012 I shall now reiterate what Austentine has stated. However, I shall provide advice for you: Study and learn the proper skills: either through independent study or through schooling Don't worry about film music for now. Write music in all styles and periods. You gain experience this way as a composer. When you are ready, score study: start with the program music in the romantic period through now. and practice, practice, practice....both in and out of film music. Doing this will establish you as a composer who does not just write film music. For they don't just do they. and will attract studios better. Quote
Marius Posted May 14, 2012 Posted May 14, 2012 Hi Kahlia, welcome aboard. And lovely name, by the way. Your question is definitely among the more frequently asked ones, so run a search and have a look for some answers that have cropped up over the years, but since I work in media composition for a living I'll offer you some bullet points of my own too so you know what you're getting into. I wrote this as a blog post some time ago, but I'll include it here for you: Learn your tools. Master them so they’re never in your way, learn their tricks, personalities, and best practices. Learn to work fast. Then learn to work faster. Make an excellent demo reel showcasing a variety of styles. Make an excellent web presence to host that demo reel and information about yourself. Make it easy for people to Google you and find your music. Make it easy to listen to and share. Send out 10 emails per day to young directors whose work you admire on YouTube, to game designers whose work you admire, to folks you’ve read about in articles, to people you’ve found on forums dedicated to film making, gaming etc. Ten per day. And don’t stop until you start getting answers. For every 50 emails you send, you’ll likely get between 5 – 10 responses, of which 3 will be a polite no, one of which will be a “we’ll keep you on file”, and the other which might be a “maybe, let’s talk about it.” While you’re writing so many emails, learn to write well. Be concise, affable, professional, and courteous. The better your emails, the more responses you’ll get. Respect your work; just because you’re new doesn’t mean you’re not worth money. You may not be worth $500/minute yet, but you sure are worth something. Find a number and try to get paid for your work, even if only an honorarium. If you teach people that you think your work is worth nothing, then don’t be surprised when they keep coming back expecting you to work for free even when they get bigger budgets. Watch a lot of films, study a lot of film scores, and learn about the process of making films. Not your part, theirs. Find out about cinematography, learn to recognize good editing, refine your eye for good direction and good writing. If you can hold a conversation on their passion with them, you’re already a more attractive prospect than the ignorant composer too caught up in his work to realize that other people exist and contribute to a film. Learn to understand the context within which you’ll be working, in other words. Learn about audio from other perspectives: learn the physics, learn the psychology of musical influence, learn the biases of cultural identity. Learn about audio formats, about compression, about delivery formats, and about the process of implementing music in a project. Learn to manage your time well. Figure out how many projects you can have on the go at once (if it’s just one then you’re in the wrong line of work), figure out how many minutes of music you can consistently write per day in various styles (again, if it’s just one then you’re not going to be particularly competitive), and be diligent about sticking within the zone of comfort that allows you to maximize the quality of your work on each project. But don’t stagnate: let that comfort zone expand as you get more experienced. Now, to your education question I give a more direct answer: be careful. A certain sense of self-awareness is necessary to make a good decision here. While others have differing opinions, in my experience of working in the industry, I've never once been asked about my education nor had it brought up as a point of interest for any of my employers. Not a single time. And my degree is not in music, by the way. That doesn't mean you shouldn't spend those three years studying music, but it does mean that if you are a very capable independent learner then you could possibly spend the time better by studying something that will give you more generally applicable skills, or spend it seeking and finding work experience in the industry while polishing your musical chops independently. How you decide to proceed is your call, but be aware that you — like the rest of us — are always behind the game. There's always someone faster, better, more talented, cheaper, etc. so in order to be competitive you really do need to jump into the game as early as you possibly can and work hard. Unless those 3 years are very tangibly benefiting the goal of making you more directly competitive (no one cares if you can analyze harmony in a piece) then you're wasting your time and squandering what potential for success you have. Which is very little, by the way. It's a cut-throat and unsupportive environment where you really do have to be brilliant to make your way; at music, at business, at working with technology, at networking especially... The usual caveats apply here: I'm not trying to discourage you at all, I'm simply saving you some of the coddling bullshit that you may have heard from others; anyone who's told you that writing for film is easier than "real" concert music, anyone who's told you that talent and musical skills are all that matter, etc. My recommendation to you is to find a local course that will welcome you into the very complex world of digital music production (working in a DAW, using sample libraries, synthesizers, etc.) and going from there — the technology side, in other words. THAT is the kind of stuff that can be very daunting to learn without some guidance. If there's nothing local, look into reputable online courses (Berklee, etc.) which offer quality instruction for a good price on your own time, which leaves you open to pursue work in the meantime. Do your best to find yourself an opportunity to actually score a film. It's the fastest way to find out if it's what you expect and really want to do. 5 Quote
Kevin Posted May 14, 2012 Posted May 14, 2012 Sign away your integrity as a composer and get ready to copy other composer's music :P Quote
Austenite Posted May 14, 2012 Posted May 14, 2012 Sign away your integrity as a composer and get ready to copy other composer's music :P Cheap shot. Quote
Kevin Posted May 14, 2012 Posted May 14, 2012 Cheap shot. I can say this because I am a major film music collector and love film music (you can make fun of something that you are a part of logic). I was making a quick joke about it. Quote
Austenite Posted May 14, 2012 Posted May 14, 2012 It's OK. But we're setting ourselves for truly cheap shots like what followed :smithy: . Quote
KahliaSkye Posted May 14, 2012 Author Posted May 14, 2012 Wow! Thank you all for your thoughtful and very helpful answers! :D I am well aware that it will be a hard road, which is why I want to start now. Hi Kahlia, welcome aboard. And lovely name, by the way. Thank you very much! Now I'm about to go do a search on film composing in the forums :musicwhistle: . Quote
wayne-scales Posted May 14, 2012 Posted May 14, 2012 I can say this because I am a major film music collector and love film music (you can make fun of something that you are a part of logic). In before JB makes fun of stupid people. Quote
Austenite Posted May 14, 2012 Posted May 14, 2012 You love my cheap shots. We actually love to hate you :P ... Quote
Kvothe Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 Berklee pres published a book on this subject. It may or may not help you. Quote
Austenite Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 I think the more important question is, do you want to be a film composer because you have a passion for incidental music, or do you want to be a film composer because you think you can make money doing it? Astonishingly - I agree with Chris on this one. *holds up his nose while typing* Quote
KahliaSkye Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 I guess it's more a matter of the thing I'd most enjoy doing - I really love composing, and would just do it anyway, but in terms of a job, it would be the best one to go with - doing something I love doing. Out of all my options, all of them would probably pay poorly (or at least that's what I'd assume) - writer, photographer, singer, illustrator, costume designer... So obviously money is not an issue! If I wanted to get money, I'd definitely be smart enough to go for doctoring or law, but that's just not what I'm interested in. It's more in terms of reconciling what I love doing with what I should do as a job for practicality. So this would just give me a chance to explore composing on a much higher level. Mint! :D Quote
KahliaSkye Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 Plus I've always admired the music of composers like John Powell (The Bourne series, Paycheck) and Howard Shore for his epic LOTR score. I'd love to be in a position where I could create music like that. 1 Quote
Connor_Helms Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 damn I love those two as well! Seems like John Powell has just recently been getting the cred he deserves these last few years though, in spite of his work always being top notch. Have you heard much Elliot Goldenthal? Quote
KahliaSkye Posted May 20, 2012 Author Posted May 20, 2012 :) yes, it's true! No, I haven't heard of him. What kind of stuff does he do? Quote
Austenite Posted May 21, 2012 Posted May 21, 2012 If I wanted to get money, I'd definitely be smart enough to go for doctoring or law... People tend to believe law gives more money than it really does. (BTW, I'm a lawyer myself) :P 1 Quote
KahliaSkye Posted May 21, 2012 Author Posted May 21, 2012 haha, well, I guess I was being a bit stereotypical ;P. 1 Quote
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