Discouraging budding composers

I still don't believe you were thinking when you made your first post. I believe you only began to think when you started to connect the dots and prove I was a jerk. AFter I told you to think.

As for your other post, the idiot would keep on agrueing over a dead issue. The wise man would simple get up and get food. Which the wise man has already done:). Get with the times, this agruement is pointless, it merely waste space in this somewhat productive thread.

anyways this is becoming very childish, let me just save the space of the 5000 posts we will make concerning this topic and simply say "I WIN!", points and laughs, *waits for Bitterduck's Revenge to respond with "I WIN +1", hah little does he know that I can say "I WIN + infinity!", that will be fun won't it!!!

actually can we please actually be productive and address the topic, arguing like children is fun for a little while, but I am not in the mood to disclipine children and teach them when they are mislead.

and I am glad you mentioned the that bit about wisdom, I almost forget the ancient zen saying "When one can't win an argument they go get food"

wow we said the same thing.

Alright seriously this was all fun, but we should address the topic instead of trade insults now lol.

yeah lol pretty much, but I kinda honestly had fun thinking up comebacks :shifty:

All childish invective inside, I think I've succeeded in making a lot of people think about this important topic (245+ posts!!).

Bitterduck lost, everyone else = teh win!!!

Bitterduck lost, everyone else = teh win!!!

I don't think there is much losing or winning on the internet...

I am quite sure that anyone (Me included, sadly) that has read each post in this ridiculous thread has indeed lost.

I am quite sure that anyone (Me included, sadly) that has read each post in this ridiculous thread has indeed lost.

Lost? Lost what, pray tell? You may have lost time, but you've gained knowledge of just how useless these threads are. Everything you gain or lose from the internet is trivial.

This is NOT a pointless thread, it is IMPORTANT to consider other's feelings, that is the entire point of this thread, regardless of whatever childish idiotic arguments ensued in the middle. when I said bitterduck lost I was just ripping on him because I can.

This is NOT a pointless thread, it is IMPORTANT to consider other's feelings

You just keep saying that to yourself.

Nothing feels as good as apathy. You, my friend, need to read The Virtue Of Selfishness by Ayn Rand. Putting too much emphasis on others' feelings is dangerous to both you and them.

I'd say the message of thread was expressed in the title, and I do agree with the message. Most of the posts in the thread are garbage.

Just follow the guideline chopin place. Is that such a hard thing?

You just keep saying that to yourself.

Nothing feels as good as apathy. You, my friend, need to read The Virtue Of Selfishness by Ayn Rand. Putting too much emphasis on others' feelings is dangerous to both you and them.

Ayn Rand, like many philosophers, takes one virtue and makes it more important than all others, at the EXPENSE of all others. Most modern liberals, for example, take the virtue of "tolerance" so far that they actually begin being very intolerant, say of Christians.

Would you say that "selfishness" is a good virtue to exercise when raising children? Talk of raising children is conspicuously absent from all of Ayn Rand's writings. I agree with her on how selfishness relates to entrepreneurship and capitalism, but when it comes to sex & family her philosophy is barren and empty. As anyone who has raised children or THOUGHT seriously about raising children knows, it takes an incredible amount of altruism to make children happy and turn them into strong individuals.

I'd say the message of thread was expressed in the title, and I do agree with the message. Most of the posts in the thread are garbage.

That may be the case but at least I've gotten people engaged in discussion about it. Since most people on this site are selfish, petty, arrogant teenagers, OF COURSE a discussion about caring about others feelings will be mostly garbage. If this site consisted mainly of mature adults, I expect the conversation would have been many many times more thoughtful than it was.

I heard Derek had sex with nico last night and now nico might be having a baby!

Yeah, well, when someone composes music that doesn't suck, I tend to swing both ways. jk

Ayn Rand, like many philosophers, takes one virtue and makes it more important than all others, at the EXPENSE of all others. Most modern liberals, for example, take the virtue of "tolerance" so far that they actually begin being very intolerant, say of Christians.

Would you say that "selfishness" is a good virtue to exercise when raising children? Talk of raising children is conspicuously absent from all of Ayn Rand's writings. I agree with her on how selfishness relates to entrepreneurship and capitalism, but when it comes to sex & family her philosophy is barren and empty. As anyone who has raised children or THOUGHT seriously about raising children knows, it takes an incredible amount of altruism to make children happy and turn them into strong individuals.

I don't think you truly understand what she means by "selfishness".

Yeah, well, when someone composes music that doesn't suck, I tend to swing both ways. jk

You don't swing both ways, when someone composes music that sucks. So since you are swinging both ways...

I don't think you truly understand what she means by "selfishness".

She abuses the word to mean "enlightened self interest," perhaps even the "golden rule" more than she does the generally accepted sense of the word selfishness. Everyone knows what selfishness means. Her use of the word is poetic license.

She abuses the word to mean "enlightened self interest," perhaps even the "golden rule" more than she does the generally accepted sense of the word selfishness. Everyone knows what selfishness means. Her use of the word is poetic license.

Enlightened Self-Interest? I think the term is Rational Self-Interest. Everyone may know what selfishness is, but Ayn Rand's is a little different. It's the concept of never sacrificing something of value for something of lesser or no value. You don't give unless you break even or gain.

It doesn't matter what the general accepted sense of the word is. I can make up new ways to use any word I want. I can apply new meanings, or new variations in meanings, to my philosophy, and no one can say I'm wrong as long as I state, for all intents and purposes, what I mean.

People who say Rational Self-Interest needs some altruism to work don't fully understand the term. Read up on it again.

Well I've returned after my childish arguement to recontribute to this topic.....

does anyone really think its ethical in a music sense to be excessively cruel and harsh without some alterior motive, as in being mean when reviewing for the pure joy of seeing the composer become discouraged.... because this is what derek is getting at, cause its called "Discouraging" budding composers, and not called, "Being overly tactful" when reviewing composers that should learn to deal with negative criticsm.......

second does anyone really agree getting discouraged over one harsh and cruel review is worth it? I think most people agree part of being a composer is to learn to be kind of tough to criticism and try to derive what help from it they can, and of course to keep at it.

So I mean I think this is really simple and there no need to get to involved.... its an issue of balance when the judgement is made, if you feel like you are being to tactiful to help the composer you should be more blunt, however if you feel like you are digging your fangs into the composer too much, let them know they shouldn't quit what they were going for, give them some hope, but still be truthful.... However I think part of making a good judgment is to be perceptive to how the composer is taking it, I mean for some people they can easily take loads of criticism while others have less confidence and esteem in order to take it. Even then I think as a reviewer you should be aware of your personal objective in reviewing a composition, if its to help the composer, help them.... Same with the composer's personal objective..... is it to please every critic or to express something......

Well, here are my two cents.

The reasons why so many people are overtly harsh in there reviews, is because they themselves are often inexperienced themselves, and they have such inflated egos, that they must knock down everybody else who's in their way so that they will themselves become great composers. Kill the competition while it's young.

Enlightened Self-Interest? I think the term is Rational Self-Interest. Everyone may know what selfishness is, but Ayn Rand's is a little different. It's the concept of never sacrificing something of value for something of lesser or no value. You don't give unless you break even or gain.

It doesn't matter what the general accepted sense of the word is. I can make up new ways to use any word I want. I can apply new meanings, or new variations in meanings, to my philosophy, and no one can say I'm wrong as long as I state, for all intents and purposes, what I mean.

People who say Rational Self-Interest needs some altruism to work don't fully understand the term. Read up on it again.

I suggest you read a book by George Gilder called "Wealth and Poverty." In his book he discusses his well thought-out position that altruism is an essential part of Capitalism. He thanks Ayn Rand for many of the ideas he portrays in his book.