Discouraging budding composers

Really? I always feel like the people on this board are good at not being to harsh. I realize often that my music is terrible compared to the others, but no ones mentionned it to me yet.

And also, just to make this clear, we had a discussion on this whole religious thing a long time ago. And really now, I dont think we need it again. I know I dont have the right to say this, but if you want to have a religious bash, do it in the proper thread.

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With which part? Or both?

Guess it really doesn't matter. Still, I guess we could always be better critics.

I think that when someone posts a topic containing a piece they wish to share, they should have the options:

[ ] allow replies to this thread

[ ] do NOT allow replies to this thread

That way, people, like me, who want to showcase their music can do so without the unwanted comments. People who want to be criticised can also have that option.

I think that when someone posts a topic containing a piece they wish to share, they should have the options:

[ ] allow replies to this thread

[ ] do NOT allow replies to this thread

That way, people, like me, who want to showcase their music can do so without the unwanted comments. People who want to be criticised can also have that option.

One problem with that. You can never stop criticism. No matter how hard you try. I'd rather know of people's problem's with my music then wonder what their problems are.

Yes but, from what I have seen (and I am sure it was the inspiration for starting this thread), there is more discouragement than encouragement on here, and that is why I think composers should be able to submit their music without it being subjected to such comments should they choose. I don't really care what anyone says about a certain piece EXCEPT the composer. Furthermore, there would probably be a lot more people willing to submit their work who would otherwise be discouraged from the overdose of competitive criticism apparent on this site.

I wonder if what Brandon proposes is possible, or something like it. It's an interesting idea. I shall have to bring it up with the admins.

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If you want to showcase your music, you have a lot of other places to do so. This forum is used as a place for musical growth. You ca use showcase with finale or Sibelius music page. You can use soundclick and other hosting sites. This site was made for people who want their music reviewed.

On the issue of mods. Discuss that somewhere else. I personally think they are doing a good job. They can't please everyone.

Yeah I dunno about giving people the option to not have anyone comment. That seems a bit silly to me. The point of this site is discussion. If a composer really doesn't care what others think, they can post their works here anyway and let people comment as much as they want. The only reason I can think of that one would prevent others from commenting is if you were afraid of or averse to criticism. Which nobody ought to be...

however...very young people should be protected from that, either by our responsibility as reviewers or a mechanism as was suggested above. People younger than 18, perhaps, should have the option of not getting reviewed, or perhaps the moderators ought to be vigilant about how our younger members are treated. That's the whole reason I started this thread.

As for nasty reviewers, it just needs the moderators to a bit more active at moderating than messing around as they sometimes do. You see them in the shout box and FFA like bosses who love to "keep in" with their minions who are having the real fun. Can't the board get a set of concerned moderators?

This I disagree with.

You have to remember that this forum is theirs to enjoy as well. They are members, why shouldn't they be allowed to join in the fun? If moderators were required to be impartial and detached from member activites such as that, they would never bond with members, gain [as much] respect from them and alot of moderators would probably hate their responsibility because it would keep them from enjoyig the place.

The mod staff here aren't the bosses here, though they do have their responsibilities, why shouldn't they be able to have a good time?

Enh :D language is failing me.

Bottom line, the mods are members, they do their jobs well, members aren't their minions (for the most part), they are friends (...), so of course they join in. They can. andits a good thing.

*surrenders*

I think just by their being moderators they are a bit more removed/detached from the activities of the forum. I don't see moderators taking responsibility for questionable behavior and moderators having fun with this forum to be mutually exclusive. I for one am an enthusiastic supporter of a moderator telling someone they have crossed the line if they say something harsh or discouraging to a really young member.

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Yes, when I say "the responsibility of this board's members" in the title of my thread, that does include mods as well as normal members. They are the subject of discussion here as well. If ya don't like it bitterduck, go flap your wings in another pond. =)

It's called making a new thread.

Anyway, Mods encourage you to be respectful and fair in your review. What you may call harsh someone else says it is okay. It is merely a difference in opinions. Life works like that. This forum has a rich history, longer than i've been around(I came a few weeks before chopin bought yc fully.) At the beginning the members agreed to keep this new yc fairly free and loose.

On the issue of mods. Discuss that somewhere else. I personally think they are doing a good job. They can't please everyone.

Yeah, I agree on both points.

It's called making a new thread.

Anyway, Mods encourage you to be respectful and fair in your review. What you may call harsh someone else says it is okay. It is merely a difference in opinions. Life works like that. This forum has a rich history, longer than i've been around(I came a few weeks before chopin bought yc fully.) At the beginning the members agreed to keep this new yc fairly free and loose.

Okay then, Bitterduck, go stick your down-talking where its effect will be felt the most. I'll erase my posts.

I do understand (no kow-towing, and no apologies for that) that you were one of the first and a very strong force in keeping this site a closed institution but sad for you, many members have joined since the beginning. These things don't stand still.

I haven't time for this sort of pillockry.

I will continue to discuss them as long as I please, it is my thread and "members" means everyone =) I'm not asking for rules, I'm asking for responsibility. A free society, even a free forum is civil only when all of its members can behave responsibly, and that includes taking into account the feelings of very young members. This responsibility ought to be taken by everyone, but when not taken by everyone, it seems to me reasonable that a moderator would contact the person behaving in a questionable manner and reprimand them, and perhaps offer encouragement to the person who was discouraged/attacked etc. That isn't the same as making this a rule based forum, not at all.

careful with papercuts.

And to relate this briefly to another thread....

Should people put "Don't review" disclaimers when they don't want us to say anything about their pieces, or should we only review those that say "Comment please"?

Apparently I got myself into some trouble recently...

I fail to see the point in this. When you post your works, you should truly be prepared for critisism, for otherwise, how could we imrpove. If we let people hear our music, we should let them at least comment. Othwerwise we're just like children, asking people to look at our drawings and when told how it could be better, clamp are hands to our ears humming loudly.

In short, people are getting discouraged, but I dont see a way the system should change. Perhaps its just better for the members to change.

I agree. The memebers should change. They should be able to take the reviews. A lot of people here can take that. I can't really recall someone on this forum who has quit composing because of a remark we have made.

I agree. The memebers should change. They should be able to take the reviews. A lot of people here can take that. I can't really recall someone on this forum who has quit composing because of a remark we have made.

Yet again, I agree completely. Composers like Tchailovsky and Rachmaninov withered under criticism, but composers should be able and fully expectant to take everything that comes their way.

I agree. The memebers should change.

If the board doesn't like things as they are it should elect a new set of memebers.

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Hahahahaha.... love it.

If the board doesn't like things as they are it should elect a new set of memebers.

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Hehe, draft up the ballots!

Showcasing a piece means letting people hear it. If people can hear it, they should be able to say what they think about it. Otherwise keep your music to yourself. Thats the way I see it.

terrible idea. You might as well slap on "DON'T SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THIS PIECE BECAUSE IT IS PERFECT". That is so stupid. No piece is perfect, neither are yours, neither are Beethoven's, everyone can improve, and if someone makes a comment you feel is absolutely pointless, just tell a reviewer or mod, and we'll gladly delete if we see so fit.

J. Lee - don't make that an option, its a bad idea.

Sometimes "improve" is a matter of taste and opinion. And music is "perfect" if the composer is totally satisfied with his or her output. Everyone has different ideals and goals in their own music - you may review some music and make suggestions as to what you think would "improve" the peice - but keep in mind that not everyone shares your ideas of "perfection" and "improvement".

However, I agree that it's a little pointless to post works on this board without the option for people to make comment. There are plenty of other mediums to do that.