Counter Point basics

What is Counter Point? its made up of intervals

1:1,2:1,3:1,4:1,5:1

just sounds like intervals to me

How do i write a Canon?

It seems like i Shift or nudge the melody line

and start the second melody one note from

the starting note these creates Delays?

How do i write a imitation?

i just start a 5th down from the starting note?

What are some basic Counterpoint concepts ?

example i play a C major scale C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C,

counterpointer: C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C,D

canon: C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C

See how's its "Delay" by a interval note

Counterpoint is two individual voices/melodies against each other forming harmonic intervals. The nature and character of these intervals is of concern in counterpoint.

Counterpoint is polyphonic. Polyphony has voices. Voices can imitate each other. Depending on the way it is done this can be called a canon or a fugue (or even both in rare cases). Generally, you can start an imitation on every note you want.

Really, you seem like a robot stating questions without thinking about them. And then answering themselves after you looked up the definition in some musical dictionary.

Maybe you should try and find some counterpoint pieces and look for yourself.

The last part makes no sense at all.

Maybe you should try and get a book on the subject. Alfred Mann wrote a the Fux translation into english which is a small, basic and cheap book.

Thanks for the information

No im a real person

How do i write a counter melody for a canon function?

A really Basic Melody line

C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C

C-D-E-F-G-A-B Counter Melody?

Is this the way to do a canon?

How would you write a canon counter melody what are the basics to do this?

A Canon Has three "counter melodys" how do you make these counter melody's ?

All the voices of a canon have the same melody, beginning at different times.

In counterpoint, a melody that is repeated exactly by a different voice, entering a short interval after the original voice.

Every time you have two melodies at the same time you have counterpoint.

I don't get what you mean when you write down the major scale.

Maybe look here: http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~tas3/wtc/wtc.html

Those are most of Bach's WTC fugues. All have 2, 3, 4 and even 5 voices in counterpoint. Some have canon sections.

a counterpoint melody is a copy of the original melody but starting from a different note? does the counterpoint melody move in the same intervals as the original or would it be like playing C major in diatonic thirds for example?

They copy the original melody and start the second voice and third voice of the canon at different times like row,row,row your boat same melody line just starting at different times

What composers masters canons and fugues besides bach?

No. Any melody against any other melody is considered counterpoint.

Often a melody is supported by a chord progression. But in the case of counterpoint it is supported by one or more melodies.

Polyphonic music is music with more than one melody. So counterpoint is involved here. You have several individual 'voices', as in individual (melody) lines. If one plays a theme that is repeated by another voice this is called imitation. It can happen at any interval, even the unison. This is done by having the same intervallic structure, or roughtly the same intervallic structure to make it more diatonic.

Canon and fugue are two styles of imitation, thus involving polyphony and thus also counterpoint.

The imitation in a canon must be exact. In fugue only the first part of the theme must be imitated correcly.

A lot of baroque composers wrote works like these. But more modern composers that wrote many fugues are Reger, Shostakovich, Busoni and Hindemith.

Beethoven, Bartok, Mendelsshon and Brahms have works with fugue-like passages or movements.

Sechter wrote a total of 5000 fugues, one every day, but he is a forgotten composer and I have never heard any of them.

Sorabji wrote the most complex fugues known to me and probably the most compex ones in existence and often they are also extremely long. Most of them have not been recorded or have not been properly recorded.

See more here: http://www.hannotte.net/Fugues.htm

And here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_%28music%29

Thanks for the information

Pachelbel's canon in Dmaj. . The canon itself is as you say melody lines offset against each other

How do i write melody lines offsetting the original melody?

Just like this Pachelbel's canon just like he did?

I went to 5 music stores today i couldn't find any canon or fugues by Reger, Shostakovich, Busoni and Hindemith they didn't even have them at all

Beethoven, Bartok, Mendelsshon and Brahms same with them just piano stuff and syphy.

How do i write melody lines offsetting the original melody?

Just like this Pachelbel's canon just like he did?[/b]

Yes, don't offset them by one or two notes, but by a full eight bars. Large interval of "delay." Which has a technical name that I don't know.

For counterpoint mostly their is a "Leader Notes" the orginal melody

and the "Follower notes" secord voice and third voices like a fugue

offset the Orginal melody by one or two notes. Yes thats counterpoint to make intervals

Offset the orginal melody by a full eight bars Large interval of "delay"

Yes i hear this type of offsetting the whole orginal melody but a full eight bars

is in the Bach Art of fugues alot

I went to 5 music stores today i couldn't find any canon or fugues by

thanks for the information

Whats the difference between a Fugue and a Canon?

Whats the difference between a Subject and a Theme?

Besides Bach what composers wrote fugue's and Canons?

How do you avoid the Canon or fugue subject and answerings echo melody to not Clash or cluster?

Why do you want to know?

Why do you ask all these silly questions?

is a Fugue the same thing as a Canon but for 4 voices where a Canon is

only for 2 voices or 3 whats the main difference i don't get it?

Answer my question!

Only then will i answer your question! :)

Why do you want to know?

You have asked these questions on literally all audio related comunities on the web, and they gave you perfectly valid answers.

Are you a robot? ;)

Hehe, I said the exact same thing. ;)

This seems to be kind of futile. I think english is also not his primary language, resulting in confusion.

Walters, I personally feel that you should follow your hearts intent in what you feel is good composing. It appears you are bogging yourself down on the rules ethic in composition. Why don't you try and write something first and see what comes out. It's just possible that you may have your own voice.

Prometheus has given you more than adequate information on the topics you seek info on.

It took me years to find out who I am compositionally. With all these frustrating questions you may never learn who you are...

It's simple, listen in your head and play it. See where it takes you and then analyze your work...