Comments on the New Forum Software

[Guest JohnGalt]

If by "refresh" you mean reload the URL that ends searchid=x, all vB can ever do is just return the results associated with that search. When you view new posts with search.php?do=getnew, it does the actual searching for new posts, then bounces you over to a new searchid=x URL via a location header. If you access this searchid=x URL again, vB isn't to know that you in fact want to repeat the last search you did, not simply show the search results associated with whatever ID is passed in the query string.

I'm not certain that we're on the same wave-length here, though. Maybe you're getting at something else.

I'm talking about hitting f5/the refresh button. It should rerun the search script seeing as how I'm refreshing the page that generates it, but it doesn't appear to do it every time. Several times I'll have to change the page and come back in to have the search rerun.

[Mike]

Hmm, I see Michael's been busy with those table cells today. :)

Anyway...when you press F5, the browser will just refresh whatever URL you're on: which at this moment in time, will be the searchid=x one. The browser won't know to go back one step in the history and refresh that URL, even if the current URL has been reached through a location header and not through the user's own volition.

What browser are you using? I'm on FF 1.5, that's the behaviour I get. That's the only type of behaviour I've ever been aware of though.

[Guest JohnGalt]

Hmm, I see Michael's been busy with those table cells today. :)

Anyway...when you press F5, the browser will just refresh whatever URL you're on: which at this moment in time, will be the searchid=x one. The browser won't know to go back one step in the history and refresh that URL, even if the current URL has been reached through a location header and not through the user's own volition.

What browser are you using? I'm on FF 1.5, that's the behaviour I get. That's the only type of behaviour I've ever been aware of though.

Actually, it should call any scripts embedded into the page and run them again. In this case, it should be calling the search script to be running and returning more data. It does return the correct data occasionally, but not all the time. Note, refreshing the page always calls upon at least a portion of the script. The variables for query time change accordingly.

[Mike]

What scripts embedded into the page? That could only be something like Javascript, not PHP, and the search isn't powered by Javascript at all as far as I know. If you press F5, your browser refreshes the URL that is in your address bar. That is very much the expected behaviour.

The only way around this would be to modify the source so it showed the search results on the URL search.php?do=getnew, which would probably be extremely difficult.

Or can you produce your expected behaviour on other vB boards?

[Guest JohnGalt]

Or can you produce your expected behaviour on other vB boards?

No, they do not use this function. They are much too large.

What scripts embedded into the page? That could only be something like Javascript, not PHP, and the search isn't powered by Javascript at all as far as I know. If you press F5, your browser refreshes the URL that is in your address bar. That is very much the expected behaviour.

The only way around this would be to modify the source so it showed the search results on the URL search.php?do=getnew, which would probably be extremely difficult.

The search-and-report scripts generating the page should be included in the header.

[url="search.php?do=getnew"]View New Posts[/url]

That appears to be the line that calls the script. The action "search.php?do=getnew" is reloaded everytime the search page is refreshed. It's not a static page, it's dynamicly generated from the output of the search. What you're saying would make sense, if this were a static page, but because it is dynamicly generated, it's needing to call the data again, which should be generated anew when needed. Now, sometimes a search will return old data, or a browser will cache the data, allowing you to look back through old searches, which is what appears to be happening here, but that shouldn't be the case.

[Mike]

I'm getting a bit confused now. The HTML code you included in your post there is just the code to display the View New Posts link. It's in the navbar, which is displayed everywhere on the forum, and whose content (in that respect at least) is almost always entirely static.

It's just a link, its only job is providing somewhere for the user to click.

I think you must be getting mixed up between HTML and PHP. HTML, in and of itself, is not a scripting language.

[Mike]

Right, anyway, thanks mainly to chopin / "the other Michael", we now have something approaching the old design as far as posts are laid out. It's not perfected yet - in particular there are some issues with one too many linebreaks, stuff like that - but it looks alright.

It's very late in my part of the world so I'm going to bed. Tomorrow the design will be refined.

[Mike]

Language packs are working now. We offer translations of the board interface/phrases in: Arabic, Chinese (Traditional), Danish, German, Spanish, French, Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese and Swedish.

Please note that the quality and/or accuracy of the translations will likely vary between languages, and that actual post content, user profile data etc. will not be translated.

[bob stole my cookie]

:(

[Mike]

Excuse me while I tear some hair out.

I've had it with vBulletin and languages. All of the foreign packs have now been removed, but the language manager is refusing to restore the original English language files, so this issue will be resolved tomorrow when vB support get back to me and tell me how to fix this without the system imploding like yesterday.

[bob stole my cookie]

To put it in your own words;

X, Y and Z are messed up! How dare you be so careless whilst dealing with my precious forum! Fix it now!

:D

(and some other members say random other parts of the board are appearing in French, though they wern't mroe specific than that.)

EDIT: And some of the user CP is in.... german? :mellow:

[johannhowitzer]

EDIT: And some of the user CP is in.... german?

Heh, sure enough, it is. Indstillinger & Valgmuligheder. Urkomisch - even Babelfish doesn't have a translation for those words! What do they mean?

Thanks for fixing the user info panel position, Mike and Mike. This place feels more like home now! And I've gotten used to the icons. It's helpful that there's a nice big red check-mark icon next to unread threads... my eyes now look for that first, since it's the easiest way to tell.

[Mike]

Regarding the somewhat multi-lingual appearance of YC at the moment, I've been informed by vB support that it is "a problem with some language packs". You don't say. They've given me some instructions to revert everything back to the original English, but the database query they specified has invalid syntax, so it's no use at the moment. Hopefully at some point today this issue should be resolved.

I have a feeling that words such as "Urkomisch" may be Norwegian or Swedish in origin, by the way.

[Daniel]

Babelfish probably doesn't have the words because they are very specialized forum words, and more probably than not they're compound words.

Try logically splitting them up.

btw Urkomisch looks like German to me. Definitely a German ending to the word, which you don't find in Swedish

[djf]

When you figure out what the problem is with the CP and german, could you tell us what it is? On the computer I was using over the summer, OpenOffice.org Calc spontaneously decided that instead of printing "Page x" at the bottom of each page, it was going to print "Seite x" (where x is the page number) (Seite is german for Page). I spent a lot of time going through the settings but I could never figure out the problem. Also, what does "Ga Til Avanceret" (the button next to Post Quick Reply) mean?

[Guest JohnGalt]

Also, what does "Ga Til Avanceret" (the button next to Post Quick Reply) mean?

Go To Advanced. It's not like the button changed functions because of the language.

[Mike]

The language issues should be resolved now. Let me know if you spot any foreign phrases still lying around.

When you figure out what the problem is with the CP and german, could you tell us what it is? On the computer I was using over the summer, OpenOffice.org Calc spontaneously decided that instead of printing "Page x" at the bottom of each page, it was going to print "Seite x" (where x is the page number) (Seite is german for Page). I spent a lot of time going through the settings but I could never figure out the problem. Also, what does "Ga Til Avanceret" (the button next to Post Quick Reply) mean?

The forum software is an entirely different system to OpenOffice, so the cause of our problem won't relate to yours.

[bob stole my cookie]

Mike, I have a "gift" for you....;

An issue with the existing polls. :D

I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but in all the multi-question polls, only the last question (the 2nd or 3rd) are shown and the poll subtitles (as well as the topic subtitles) are missing....

On that note, how do you post a new poll? :D

[Guest JohnGalt]

Mike, I have a "gift" for you....;

An issue with the existing polls. :D

I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but in all the multi-question polls, only the last question (the 2nd or 3rd) are shown and the poll subtitles (as well as the topic subtitles) are missing....

On that note, how do you post a new poll? :D

The poll option is in the thread options. Look for it.

VB Doesn't support multi-option posts.

[bob stole my cookie]

Oh, in that case, sorry. Any way you can get the data to show though?

And I see the check box, now how do i get it to say stuff?

[Guest JohnGalt]

Oh, in that case, sorry. Any way you can get the data to show though?

And I see the check box, now how do i get it to say stuff?

Type your post, click the check box, then submit.

[bob stole my cookie]

*gives up and goes to bed* :D

[Mike]

Oh, in that case, sorry. Any way you can get the data to show though?

As vB doesn't support multiple poll options, like John mentioned, there is no way to display the data, no.

[bob stole my cookie]

Comments on new software...

Today I finally got search flood control and I would like to say thanks for putting the count down on the flood control page. I don't know why but it really entertains me, as well as being helpful as I don't need to count out loud anymore :angry:

(yay new software! :P )

[Guest JohnGalt]

Surely this can't be normal.