Symphony attempt.

First of all I will show the corrected version of the piece, right here:

It is scored for 1 flute, 2 oboes, 2 clarinets, 2 bassons, 2 high horns in C, 2 trumpets in C, timpani (C,G,D,A), and strings.

The compositiong plays around themes exposed in a sort exposition. The tonal travel is C-->G for the exposition then Cm-->Abm-->A-->F-->Bb-->(Gm-->Bbm-->C#m-->Em)x2 and finally the reexposition in C major.

The movement is in sonata form, but is has some surprises.

If you have any feedback please leave a comment.

Version with mistakes:

Could you upload the score as a PDF?

3 minutes ago, bryla said:

Could you upload the score as a PDF?

 

I guess I can. Not sure about how to do it tho, but I will try later. 

1 hour ago, bryla said:

Could you upload the score as a PDF?

 

Done. I edited the post.

I think this contains a song from pokemon saphire/ruby

like the exact song

2 minutes ago, Left Unexplained said:

like the exact song

 

What? I haven't ever played a Pokemon game. I didn't even see the anime. Send link if you are sure.

7 minutes ago, Ivan1791 said:

What? I haven't ever played a Pokemon game. I didn't even see the anime. Send link if you are sure.

 

can't find it, but Im pretty sure its in a pokemon game, or maybe super smash bros? I'm not saying you stole it Im just saying Ive definitely heard that exact song in a video game

2 minutes ago, Left Unexplained said:

can't find it, but Im pretty sure its in a pokemon game, or maybe super smash bros? I'm not saying you stole it Im just saying Ive definitely heard that exact song in a video game

 

Weird. I mean, the melody of the second theme follows a pretty common harmonic structure so it wouldn't surprise me if it is similar to other compositions.

At m22, 0:38 (ish) in the song, you have the violas playing a C5 chord when the rest of the orchestra is playing a G7. It clashes a bit and I just wanted to make sure it was intentional.

27 minutes ago, Left Unexplained said:

can't find it, but Im pretty sure its in a pokemon game, or maybe super smash bros? I'm not saying you stole it Im just saying Ive definitely heard that exact song in a video game

 

I hear it, too @Left Unexplained. It's the bit right after 0:38. @Ivan1791, I don't think it's the exact song but the chord progessions are the same. Plus the midi rendering sounds an awful lot like the songs in the games.

Edit: This is not a criticism. I found it interesting is all. I think your symphony sounds just lovely!

11 minutes ago, Tónskáld said:

At m22, 0:38 (ish) in the song, you have the violas playing a C5 chord when the rest of the orchestra is playing a G7. It clashes a bit and I just wanted to make sure it was intentional.

 

No, that's totally my mistake. Thanks for telling me. If you read the description of the video you will understand why I did that mistake. (I haven't heard the Musescore3 rendering yet, I want a friend to listen to it before me.) 

If you see other mistakes please tell me, because the violas and clarinets can confuse me a lot. 

10 minutes ago, Tónskáld said:

I hear it, too @Left Unexplained. It's the bit right after 0:38. @Ivan1791, I don't think it's the exact song but the chord progessions are the same. Plus the midi rendering sounds an awful lot like the songs in the games.

Edit: This is not a criticism. I found it interesting is all. I think your symphony sounds just lovely!

 

Interesting, also glad you liked it. 🙂

@Tónskáld Interesting, I didn't even really notice the clash. The beginning of the piece sounds to me, like a theme Mozart might use. For your first try at writing a symphony, this is great.

43 minutes ago, caters said:

@Tónskáld Interesting, I didn't even really notice the clash. The beginning of the piece sounds to me, like a theme Mozart might use. For your first try at writing a symphony, this is great.

 

Yes, this symphony is heavily inspired in Mozart and Beethoven. Glad you liked the work. Any critique? I also want people to point mistakes that are more subtle, like a melody or harmony that doesn't sound convincing haha. 

14 minutes ago, Ivan1791 said:

Yes, this symphony is heavily inspired in Mozart and Beethoven. Glad you liked the work. Any critique? I also want people to point mistakes that are more subtle, like a melody or harmony that doesn't sound convincing haha. 

 

I couldn't find an unconvincing harmony or melody in your symphony. The only trouble I could see with getting this performed is the Horn in C. Back in the times of Mozart and Beethoven, Horn in C was very common. But nowadays, virtually all horns are made as Horns in F. I don't know if Horns in C are even made anymore or how common they are if they are still made to this day.

1 minute ago, caters said:

I couldn't find an unconvincing harmony or melody in your symphony. The only trouble I could see with getting this performed is the Horn in C. Back in the times of Mozart and Beethoven, Horn in C was very common. But nowadays, virtually all horns are made as Horns in F. I don't know if Horns in C are even made anymore or how common they are if they are still made to this day.

 

Good point. I did this piece with a very classical mindset. As you can see the horns and trumpets are playing notes of the harmonic series (or close to them). But if in the future I try to make another symphony I will probably use a more modern orchestration, but not much bigger because I still need to learn the basics of orchestration.

The horn players will transpose the C part to an F part. It's part of learning horn! 

I think the symphony contains some good ideas. How many clarinets are there? The opening only has one line, but further through there a two notes at a time. Marking "A2" at the start would be helpful.

Bar 43 - the harmony sounds a bit out of place within the symphony. Moving in parallel triads is not always a good harmonic move. The phrases after that also sound harmonically strange.

Overall, good work!

2 hours ago, aMusicComposer said:

The horn players will transpose the C part to an F part. It's part of learning horn! 

I think the symphony contains some good ideas. How many clarinets are there? The opening only has one line, but further through there a two notes at a time. Marking "A2" at the start would be helpful.

Bar 43 - the harmony sounds a bit out of place within the symphony. Moving in parallel triads is not always a good harmonic move. The phrases after that also sound harmonically strange.

Overall, good work!

 

I know that part of horn, but I kind of copied the instrumentation Wagner used for his symphony. 

It needs 2 clarinets. What do you mean with A2 exactly? 

With the last part of the comment you refer to the developement? Yes, I guess I has a more modern style. But moving the instrumets that was was on purpose, I wanted it to create expectation using the G pedal note so once the fortissimo starts it is a big surprise but also kind of expected something was odd. 

Thank you for the feedback. 

Thats a lovely first movement. Indeed it sounds very mozartian style, which I find absolutely good.

The musical ideas and diferent sections are very clear, coherent and comprehesive, so my congratulations for your first movement. Great job!

Im looking forward for the following movements :)

1 minute ago, Guillem82 said:

Thats a lovely first movement. Indeed it sounds very mozartian style, which I find absolutely good.

The musical ideas and diferent sections are very clear, coherent and comprehesive, so my congratulations for your first movement. Great job!

Im looking forward for the following movements 🙂

 

Really glad to see you liked it. 🙂

4 hours ago, Ivan1791 said:

It needs 2 clarinets. What do you mean with A2 exactly?

Writing "a2" above the first note of a passage indicates that both instrument parts will be playing. It's primarily only used for winds and brass, since the string section has much more than 2 players per instrument. If you just want one of the instruments to be playing, you write "1" or "2" (depending on which player you want playing) above the first note of passge.

2 minutes ago, Tónskáld said:

Writing "a2" above the first note of a passage indicates that both instrument parts will be playing. It's primarily only used for winds and brass, since the string section has much more than 2 players per instrument. If you just want one of the instruments to be playing, you write "1" or "2" (depending on which player you want playing) above the first note of passge.

 

Oh okay, although in this symphony I thought it would be okay to give that choice to the musicians that play the symphony. (I doubt it will ever be played by a real orchestra haha.) But you are right, I will use that next time if I feel like it is necessary. 

I mean, technically it's ok I guess, but sorry for being sincere, I think this symphony is too much a copy of later classical works. I mean, if that was the purpose, it's good and has a nice modern touch, but it lacks some inovation I guess. Im no expert though and liked a lot to hear it all!!

12 minutes ago, antimusicale said:

I mean, technically it's ok I guess, but sorry for being sincere, I think this symphony is too much a copy of later classical works. I mean, if that was the purpose, it's good and has a nice modern touch, but it lacks some inovation I guess. Im no expert though and liked a lot to hear it all!!

 

What works am I copying? I got inspiration from Mozart's Jupiter and Beethovens Eroica, but I don't think I'm copying that much.

Anyway it doesn't matter because now that I have heard what I created I'm simply ashamed of it. My biggest failure by far. I will just try to forget I ever composed that piece of rubbish, I knew I did some mistakes but the reality was too bad honestly and I got really annoyed with myself.