walters Posted September 8, 2005 Posted September 8, 2005 Which composers wrote: Trombone symphonies or quartets? Tuba symphonies or quartets? Horn symphonies or quartets? euphonium symphonies or quartets? Brass symphonies or quartets? french horn symphonies or quartets? What composers wrote this and what are the names of the pieces? Quote
CaltechViolist Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 If you're interested in Romantic brass quintets, look for Victor Ewald, the inventor of the brass quintet. He wrote four brass quintets in the 1880s and 1890s (at least one of which was a transcription of a string piece he wrote). Since then, the brass quintet has been a pretty standard ensemble. The brass quartet has been around a while longer, though not in its modern form - the brass music written by the Gabrielis and other Renaissance composers can essentially be played by a brass quartet today (cornettos -> trumpets or cornets; alto sackbut -> horn; tenor sackbut -> trombone). There isn't a whole lot of trombone repertoire... I know that a number of trombone concerti were written, but the only one I've heard (and the only one I can remember off the top of my head) is Rimsky-Korsakov's concerto for trombone and military band. The horn, on the other hand, has been a very commonly used solo instrument for a very long time. The earliest appearance as a soloist that I know of is in Vivaldi's double horn concerto in F. Mozart wrote possibly the four best-known horn concerti in the repertoire, and Haydn wrote a few. There's also at least one by Telemann, and at least one by Michael Haydn. But Johann Stich (a.k.a. Giovanni Punto) was the Classical era's most prolific horn writer, composing at least 15 concerti (that I know of) for the instrument. In the Romantic period, Franz Strauss wrote a concerto and a large amount of other solo music for the horn; in the early 20th century his much more famous son Richard Strauss wrote two horn concerti, and Reinhold Gliere and Paul Hindemith composed other well-known concerti. In chamber music, Mozart's horn quintet, Beethoven's sextet for two horns and strings, Beethoven's septet for winds and strings, Schubert's octet for winds and strings, and Brahms's horn trio stand out for the Classical and Romantic periods. The sonata repertoire includes frequently-performed works by Beethoven, Rheinberger, and others. Quote
walters Posted September 9, 2005 Author Posted September 9, 2005 Thanks for the information I'm not really looking for soloist or concerto piece for horns mostly I'm looking for Long sustain chords or harmonized horns that do the chords I think Wagner i heard harmonized trombone chords i one of his piece French horns or trombone doing chords long sustaining Quote
CaltechViolist Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 Um... almost every composer did that at some point. It was basically the standard use of horns in an orchestra texture in the Romantic period. Quote
robtheman5824 Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 Sadly the euphonium is like the saxaphone. I don't think I've ever heard an orchestral piece use one. Quote
walters Posted September 9, 2005 Author Posted September 9, 2005 thanks for the information Mostly i only hear the horns trumpets and trombones do Punches not really doing long sustain chords without strings,woodwinds just horns doing the melody and harmony its really hard to find composers that did this I'm also trying to find Tuba quartets or french horn quartets Quote
Matusleo Posted September 10, 2005 Posted September 10, 2005 There are several Horn Concertos, some of them already named. I'll add a few more to the list. British Composer Oliver Knussen's Horn Concerto is a nice treat, very sombre. Vagn Holmboe (who I cannot believe more people do not know), wrote several Concertos for Brass Instruments. His Concerto No. 11 is for Trumpet, his Concerto No. 12 is for Trombone, and he also wrote a Concerto for Tuba and Orchestra. Bloch wrote a Symphony for Trombone and Orchestra. And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention British Composer Robert Simpson who wrote several full-scale works for Brass Band. I'm especially fond of his work 'Vortex'. Excellent composer that deserves more recognition! Quote
walters Posted September 11, 2005 Author Posted September 11, 2005 Thats for the help and information I'm not really looking for Horn Concertos because the Horn/brass instrument is just going to be soloing I'm looking for more of the brass/horns doing long sustaining chords like organ sustaing chords not fast notes really slow notes doing brass harmonized chords which composers did this stuff I heard a Wagner did this but i don't know which piece it was Quote
CaltechViolist Posted September 11, 2005 Posted September 11, 2005 Wagner did it ALL THE TIME. And Mahler, ad nauseum. Basically almost every German who wrote in the second half of the 19th century did it so frequently that you can randomly pick up a score and see it. Quote
Lord Sorasen Posted October 20, 2005 Posted October 20, 2005 EUPHONIUM MUSIC!? really?! I dun really know what a professional Euphonium sounds like, I never really hear them. Quote
thewindragon Posted October 30, 2005 Posted October 30, 2005 so, trombone concertos... uhh Gordon Jacob Rimsky-Korsakov Gulimant (Morceau Symphonique) there's alot out there. Quote
XavierSX Posted December 8, 2005 Posted December 8, 2005 Luciano Berio wrote a solo piece Sequenza V for trombone in 1965, dedicated to Benny Sluchin; Horns are everywhere used; Vaughen Williams wrote a concerto for tuba, really a hard piece! An euphonium piece?.......i'm trying! Quote
CaltechViolist Posted December 8, 2005 Posted December 8, 2005 Speaking of the euphonium... turns out Holst does include one in The Planets. The "tenor tuba" listed in the score refers to a euphonium. Quote
XavierSX Posted December 9, 2005 Posted December 9, 2005 Then, Stravinsky used two tenore tubas in La Sacred du Printemps Quote
TheLordistheLord Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 I've actually played the "tenor tuba" part in a performance of an easier version of The Planets. I didn't get to play any solos though, because I was new at it. As for french horn composers, I wish more people would realize just how amazing Max Pottag is. He's more recent than the classical composers, but his works are very impressive. Most of his compositions were put into method books and duet books. I actually had never heard of him until I was playing Mozart's 3rd horn concerto and noticed he had written the cadenzas. After studying out of his 2nd method book for just a couple days (although I practice a lot) I was much more accurate in playing the correct notes with good, clean attacks. Though not much is recorded about him, he's pretty impressive with his compositions, attempting to write difficult melodies that I have always been too afraid to compose, out of fear that it couldn't be played. I've learned to expand my expectations of modern musicians, and it's just wonderful. Quote
Chad dream eyes Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 In a concert band setting the euphonium is comparable to the cello in an orchestra* Just a helpful hint from Chad. ;) Quote
jsipes Posted May 3, 2007 Posted May 3, 2007 Well, tuba music...let's see here... (John) Williams, Vaughn Williams, Woodward, Gregson, Arutiunian, and Broughton have all written substantial (and very difficult) concerti for the tuba. There are more, I just can't seem to remember the whole of our repertoire at the moment. Most of the tubist's rep is actually for tuba and one or two other instruments, most typically (as is to be expected) piano. There are some really wild unaccompanied pieces and some absolutely insane pieces with tape (see: Penderecki Cappriccio, Persichetti Parable XXII, Kraft Encounters II, Lazarof Cadence VI, and the works of Neal Corwell). If you would like to know more about the tuba rep or would like advice writing for it, let me know. Quote
Guest Nickthoven Posted May 4, 2007 Posted May 4, 2007 I'm accompanying a tubist on the Ed Gregson Concerto - it's pretty cool, but seems hard for the tuba player. Quote
Mark Posted May 5, 2007 Posted May 5, 2007 I think there is a bit in one of Brahms Symphonies where the four horns play a long sustained section unaccompanied, I'll try and find it. Quote
Mark Posted May 5, 2007 Posted May 5, 2007 Found it: Brahms 1st symphony, 4th movement, about a quarter of the way through. Score. Quote
designbox91 Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 EUPHONIUM MUSIC!? really?! I dun really know what a professional Euphonium sounds like, I never really hear them. Please try Adam Frey,he is a very good euphonium player Quote
robinjessome Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 Quoting a three-year-old post. That's probably a record. Quote
CLJarvis Posted December 4, 2008 Posted December 4, 2008 As a euphonium player, you all just made me quite sad. =P Please, if you even have the slightest desire to expand your musical knowledge, go here: "https://protected.ehost.com/euphoniu/articles/2007/hallows/hallows.html", and listen to at least a few minutes of this piece (at the top of the page)! This is one of the most recent large scale works for euphonium solo, and it was premiered by Steven Mead, definitely one of the finest euphonium players in the world. I'm not saying that this is the best piece in the repertoire, but I found it to be very enjoyable and the entire work is up for free download. At least if you listen, you will be able to say that you've heard a professional euphonium player. The second movement is really great, in my opinion. As a solo instrument, the euphonium repertoire has expanded dramatically in recent years. Up until the 1960's, the solo rep. consisted of mostly of show piece, theme and variations type compositions. The first euphonium concerto was written by Joseph Horovitz (highly recommended) in 1972. In British-style brass bands, the euphonium is used as a very soloistic instrument. If you've never heard a good British Brass band, I highly recommend you look for recordings of the Fairey Band or the Black Dyke Mills Band. Notable composers for brass band, as well as solo euphonium, include Philip Sparke, John Golland, and Philip Wilby, just to name a few. Now, getting back to the original poster's topic, in the orchestra I find that the tenor tuba (when it is used) is used mainly as a color or solo instrument. Sure, everyone knows the planets, but Richard Strauss also started suggesting the tenor tuba for his wagner tuba parts in "Ein Heldenleben" and, even more prominently, in "Don Quixote" in which the tenor tuba is used to portray the character of Sancho Panza. Towards the beginning of "Don Quixote", Strauss also achieves a very unique sound by doubling the tenor tuba an octave above the bass tuba. It's definitely something you don't hear in orchestras very often because the horns and trombones just don't have the same effect. In addition to this, Gustav Mahler used the tenor horn prominently in his seventh symphony. In fact, the solo tenor horn is the very first instrument to play major melodic material in the entire symphony. So yeah, that's euphonium at a glance. Professional players are more common than you might think. It's a shame that general awareness of the instrument is still as low as it is. Euphoniumists are very willing to play new pieces written for their instrument, so one would think that composers would be more eager to write for the instrument. *Hint, hint* Adam Frey has even started a commission consortium project on his website, euphonium.com. Hmm... maybe I should have just started a new thread. Oh well. Edit: Wow, a three year old thread. Nice. Quote
andreavezzoli Posted December 4, 2008 Posted December 4, 2008 Which composers wrote:Trombone symphonies or quartets? Tuba symphonies or quartets? Horn symphonies or quartets? euphonium symphonies or quartets? Brass symphonies or quartets? french horn symphonies or quartets? What composers wrote this and what are the names of the pieces? I wrote a a lote piece for quartets : tuba, Bass clarinet, Bassoon, Baritone sax. http://www.img-edizioni.it/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=768&ttitle Quote
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