classical I've composed a brief sketch of a mazurka.

Hi,

I've composed a sketch of a mazurka, it's in progress at the moment, so please let me know if the harmony or melody could be improved. What do you think of the orchestration of solo piano?

Attached are the pdf and midi files.

Thank you,

DoYourDailyDuo

Mazurka.mid

1 hour ago, DoYourDailyDuo said:

 please let me know if the harmony or melody could be improved.

You could improve it by not copying the melody of Chopin's first mazurka note-by-note.

Snake_Cake, I was so inspired by Chopin's work that I accidentally copied too much!! 😞 Sorry

Quote

Plagiarism as an assertion of identity, a misguided sense that we own the things we love. The composer Igor Stravinsky once referred to this affliction as “a rare form of kleptomania” – plundering of the musical past as raw material for the present.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-plagiarism-music-sometimes-admirable-150766

1 hour ago, Snake_Cake said:

You could improve it by not copying the melody of Chopin's first mazurka note-by-note.

 

Exactly what I was going to say. I The melody sounds very similar to Chopin's mazurka. I would suggest listening to mazurkas by a range of different composers and then do another sketch. Your new sketch will be 1. More original than the one you have now and 2. It will be better since you've listened to more mazurkas and it will be in your psyche, subconsciously making the work better. Hope this helps

11 hours ago, DoYourDailyDuo said:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-plagiarism-music-sometimes-admirable-150766

 

Philosophically I am strongly opposed to this. The quote from Stravinsky is false or misunderstood. Stravinsky was a creative artist and   did not plagiarize 

On 6/1/2021 at 2:05 PM, DoYourDailyDuo said:

Snake_Cake, I was so inspired by Chopin's work that I accidentally copied too much!! 😞 Sorry

 

 

Yeah, "accidentally"... Are you aware not anyone's 12 and can notice when one's blatantly bullshitting?

23 minutes ago, Snake_Cake said:

 

Yeah, "accidentally"... Are you aware not anyone's 12 and can notice when one's blatantly bullshitting?

 

Yeah, apparently this guy plagiarized someone else's music too. He probably thinks he's too smart and wants attention.

I barely arrived in this forum and it's already left a bad taste in my mouth.

50 minutes ago, PeterHM said:

I barely arrived in this forum and it's already left a bad taste in my mouth.

Funny thing is that I've been here since 2007 or so and I've almost never seen anything like this. People aren't usually THAT cynical and/or stupid.

1 hour ago, SSC said:

Funny thing is that I've been here since 2007 or so and I've almost never seen anything like this. People aren't usually THAT cynical and/or stupid.

 

And how many are literally 12?

On 6/1/2021 at 5:09 AM, DoYourDailyDuo said:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-plagiarism-music-sometimes-admirable-150766

 

13 hours ago, PeterHM said:

Yeah, apparently this guy plagiarized someone else's music too. He probably thinks he's too smart and wants attention.

I barely arrived in this forum and it's already left a bad taste in my mouth.

 

Yeah, mine. I already reported about it.

14 hours ago, PeterHM said:

I barely arrived in this forum and it's already left a bad taste in my mouth.

Hi! I just wanted the agree with SSC. I've been here for considerably less time than them but still a few years - and this is the first time this has happened that I have seen. Don't be put off!

17 hours ago, PeterHM said:

Yeah, apparently this guy plagiarized someone else's music too. He probably thinks he's too smart and wants attention.

I barely arrived in this forum and it's already left a bad taste in my mouth.

I have been on music forums for like 15 years and I have NEVER seen this happen.

Like, I've seen threads where people pointed out that some jackhole on Newgrounds plagiarized us, but I have never seen someone steal from users and then repost on the same forum. 

However, as I was saying in the other thread before it got locked: This is why you shouldn't post sheet music and MIDI of your works. People who plagiarize like this are generally too much of n00bz and too lazy to figure your piece out by ear. 

26 minutes ago, AngelCityOutlaw said:

I have been on music forums for like 15 years and I have NEVER seen this happen.

It did happen to me. Back when I used to post on Musescore.com around 2015, some 12-year-old Hungarian kid posted a piece that was a collage containing musical gibberish (what one writes when not knowing music theory at all) and a piano piece of mine. He did it at least twice more with other people's music, I remember in one he was ripping off Mendelssohn's first piano concerto.

The funny part was seeing the comments of people who weren't familiar with the plagiarized pieces, many didn't seem to notice the jarring change from 19th century textbook harmony to random notes that don't even contain a single triad.

7 hours ago, aMusicComposer said:

Hi! I just wanted the agree with SSC. I've been here for considerably less time than them but still a few years - and this is the first time this has happened that I have seen. Don't be put off!

 

Hello. That's good to hear, I won't let this discourage me, thank you!

On 6/3/2021 at 10:37 AM, Snake_Cake said:

 

It did happen to me. Back when I used to post on Musescore.com around 2015, some 12-year-old Hungarian kid posted a piece that was a collage containing musical gibberish (what one writes when not knowing music theory at all) and a piano piece of mine. He did it at least twice more with other people's music, I remember in one he was ripping off Mendelssohn's first piano concerto.

The funny part was seeing the comments of people who weren't familiar with the plagiarized pieces, many didn't seem to notice the jarring change from 19th century textbook harmony to random notes that don't even contain a single triad.

 

That's repulsive behaviour. Some people are so low

9 hours ago, Gyugcac said:

That's repulsive behaviour. Some people are so low

 

I was way more amused than mad. It's the Dunning-Kruger effect that fools them into believing that they can get away with it. 

On 6/3/2021 at 2:37 AM, Snake_Cake said:

musical gibberish (what one writes when not knowing music theory at all

This is a great term for it. Well said.

Wow, here since I don't know, 2009 or so, and I've never seen anything like this.

On 6/3/2021 at 3:10 AM, AngelCityOutlaw said:

I have been on music forums for like 15 years and I have NEVER seen this happen.

Like, I've seen threads where people pointed out that some jackhole on Newgrounds plagiarized us, but I have never seen someone steal from users and then repost on the same forum. 

However, as I was saying in the other thread before it got locked: This is why you shouldn't post sheet music and MIDI of your works. People who plagiarize like this are generally too much of n00bz and too lazy to figure your piece out by ear. 

 

Honestly, I think this user is just a troll. No one would actually steal a work and re-post it in the same forum with the notion that no one would notice. Everything else about the account also strikes me with the troll vibe. And hey - he got what he wanted.

But... the uproar isn't without a useful purpose. People who aren't trolls can and do steal music. And as you say, these people are generally too lazy or untalented to transcribe works by ear. This forum provides no protections regarding who can and cannot view scores. Some of the users here are posting scores of works that are professional in quality, and they clearly care about them. Though I respect their choice, I would never do this myself. If you want to share your score, the safer approach is to state that you'll make it available by PM to people who ask. Then you only pass it along to users you trust.

On 6/2/2021 at 6:22 PM, Snake_Cake said:

 

Yeah, "accidentally"... Are you aware not anyone's 12 and can notice when one's blatantly bullshitting?

 

Honestly I agree with you, but this is quite rude.

On 6/1/2021 at 7:09 AM, DoYourDailyDuo said:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-plagiarism-music-sometimes-admirable-150766

 

If you really like a melody or a structure, you can take inspiration and that's okay, even myself some times copy a melody note by note but, I modify it in a way that I make it mine, and even If I tell you that my melody is based in another, you wouldn't be able to tell. That's the "correct" way of "plagarism".

Music is based on another music, like art is based on more art, but that doesn't mean you copy note by note sometthing and can claim it as your composition. Copying is a good way of learning, but be sure to change everything and make it original for the final result.

I was wondering why this had that many answers, now I know why xD.

On 6/2/2021 at 11:21 PM, AngelCityOutlaw said:

 

 

Lol