SATB Aanlysis

Unsure about both those spots. Fm7 chord sounds dissonant for some reason, and last measure before PAC, the last beat sounds off.

This could help resolve the 7th better from the V6/5 chord

I think it's better to have a Eb7 in b.7 rather than a Bbm. The p5 btw b.10 and 11 is too obvious in S and A part.

Fm7 is dissonant itself but if the dissonance is prepared then it will be ok.

I find the bar before PAC fine.

For b.5 it's ok except too static, I will probably change the alto part to minim and crotchet, C to Db to add motion and also prepare the D natural next bar.

Is that better? I changed my alto under the Fm and adjusted my parts so there's no parallel 4/5ths

Would the Eb7 be a stronger HAC there?

Any ideas for some movement under the Bbm-Eb7?

13 hours ago, GospelPiano12 said:

Is that better? I changed my alto under the Fm and adjusted my parts so there's no parallel 4/5ths

Would the Eb7 be a stronger HAC there?

Any ideas for some movement under the Bbm-Eb7?

 

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• Finale 2005 - [Lord Please Use My Life]

I like the Bbm-Eb7 a little better since it's a softer chord change to the V7

15 hours ago, GospelPiano12 said:

Would the Eb7 be a stronger HAC there?

Actuay it will weaken the HC there with the dissonance Db. Using V7 will be stronger in a PAC or IAC with the added tedency if the seventh to resolve to sixth, but to be a sustained chord itself it will add the tension which makes the cadence weaker.

15 hours ago, GospelPiano12 said:

Any ideas for some movement under the Bbm-Eb7?

Probably only the alto can slightly move within C and Db there.

1 hour ago, GospelPiano12 said:

like the Bbm-Eb7 a little better since it's a softer chord change to the V7

I suggest the Bbm to be Eb7 since it's already the moment of the HC, but I feel like you have delayed the cadential chord.

7 hours ago, Henry Ng Tsz Kiu said:

Actuay it will weaken the HC there with the dissonance Db. Using V7 will be stronger in a PAC or IAC with the added tedency if the seventh to resolve to sixth, but to be a sustained chord itself it will add the tension which makes the cadence weaker.

Probably only the alto can slightly move within C and Db there.

I suggest the Bbm to be Eb7 since it's already the moment of the HC, but I feel like you have delayed the cadential chord.

 

WOuld you mind explaining these a little more?

Could you sketch out some example movements please?

I like the IV-ii7-I, I think I might add it to the beginning as well

12 hours ago, GospelPiano12 said:

WOuld you mind explaining these a little more?

A V7 chord itself is an unstable chord with a dissonance of 7th. To use that before the tonic will increase the tendency to resolve to the tonic chord with that dissonance, thus making the PAC or IAC stronger in a V7-I progression more than V-I progression. However as a terminal chord itself V7 is weaker than a V, thus in a HC, e.g. ii6-V7 is weaker than ii6-V.

19 minutes ago, GospelPiano12 said:

I like the IV-ii7-I, I think I might add it to the beginning as well

The chord progression is good, except of the double third of a major chord which may be considered too bright in the traditional harmony but I think it's fine here.

Just now, Henry Ng Tsz Kiu said:

A V7 chord itself is an unstable chord with a dissonance of 7th. To use that before the tonic will increase the tendency to resolve to the tonic chord with that dissonance, thus making the PAC or IAC stronger in a V7-I progression more than V-I progression. However as a terminal chord itself V7 is weaker than a V, thus in a HC, e.g. ii6-V7 is weaker than ii6-V.

The chord progression is good, except of the double third of a major chord which may be considered too bright in the traditional harmony but I think it's fine here.

 

Ahhhh yes, tendency tones and such. Do you think I should change it to an ii-ii6/5-V instead of going to the V7th?

I was going to have the bass move as well there. So it's a root position IV to a root position ii7 to a root position I

I've learned so much from this discussion. Thanks for teaching a novice like me lol

5 minutes ago, GospelPiano12 said:

Ahhhh yes, tendency tones and such. Do you think I should change it to an ii-ii6/5-V instead of going to the V7th?

I was going to have the bass move as well there. So it's a root position IV to a root position ii7 to a root position I

What is the location of the chords?😅

6 minutes ago, GospelPiano12 said:

I've learned so much from this discussion. Thanks for teaching a novice like me lol

LOL you are definitely not a novice!

Measure 7-8, and the IV-ii7-I is in measures 3-4 and 11-12

17 minutes ago, GospelPiano12 said:

Measure 7-8,

That will be a good choice with Alto change to Eb in b.8!

20 minutes ago, GospelPiano12 said:

the IV-ii7-I is in measures 3-4 and 11-12

Just beware of the parallel fifth with ii7 to I with the bass move from Bb-Ab and some voice moves F-Eb should be fine!

So just use an Eb in measure 8 but use a 7 at the end?

How would the ii7-I be considered a parallel 5th?

If I change it to just an Eb instead of Eb7, then I could probably add some movement to the alto or tenor line

I have done a harmonization based on your chorale:

New project, I made this lead sheet, and I think I was on the right track then just got way off and not sure how to fix it all

Hey @GospelPiano12,

Does the song starts from 2:48? The first line should be "Let him have HIS way". The rhythm should be semiquaver-quaver-quaver-dotted quaver there. The "stop the" starts at the third beat and "worry" on the first beat of the next bar. You can count the beats in a semiquaver way to have a more detailed version of it!

Henry

The recording starts later in the song, but the first line is "give it all"

So is this the correct notation?

1 hour ago, GospelPiano12 said:

So is this the correct notation?

Yeah I think this is the correct notation!

Dude this is really difficult with that lady singing improvisatorily! She adds all those non-harmonic tones and sings earlier then the beat should be as it's the typical style of a spiritual!

Are the proposed changes going in the right direction?

Going to put this one into SATB, but I'd like to use different harmonies for the verses and chorus. Any ideas?