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Is ( the last part of ) this piece ok to be a piece for children?


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I'm considering putting this short, simple piece under a new personal playlist " (short ) piano pieces for children" ( where I intend to have a collection of pieces ). I do mean this piece to be for children ( not just musically, but technically as well ) but am wondering if the last part ( m 46 -58 ) is okay ( perhaps a little more challenging ) to be considered something targeted for children ( in general ) to play. Musescore did not give difficulty level label ( less common ) as this piece is general easy but becos of the last part, the difficulty level becomes ambiguous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1RWvui4yak

https://musescore.com/user/62605720/scores/11934358

Just wanna know wht y'all think, the extend to which this piece is, despite the ending, a piece suited for children to play and learn. Thank You!

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Hi again AWS. Let me pose a question, hope you don't mind:
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Why do you use this figure here? You have the very same phrase later on and you don't use it. Did you want it to make it shorter? Why not using a quarter note with a Marcato symbol (which in musescore by default would reduce its duration to 67%).

Apart from  that tiny detail, I would say the very ending presents no problem. Measures like 28-29 seem more complicated to me or M39. The passage starting at M50 seems like the most complicated one to perform a tempo. Judging by how it sounds, though, I would say there are some strange articulation symbol combinations. What does the slur + tenuto + stacatto mean in comparison with slur + stacatto, for example? In some places, like that passage starting at M50, I think marcato would better suit the piece rather than an ordinary accent. Normally (so not an universal convention) marcatos in piano tend to mean the player must perform the note with a strong (sometimes stronger than the usual) short accent (normally by raising the hand out of the keys rather quickly).

Perhaps you did already know that, but just in case I give you a rather common example. In Chopin's Op. 18 you will find marcatos at the very beginning of the piece. These are put not as a replacement of normal accents but with a further intention.
Here's a video of it being played. 

Though this meaning is ignored at convenience of the performer (which isn't bad at all), this behaviour I'm writing you about is evident here: image.png

So in summary (sorry for the text density :B), I would say parts like these
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may be better performed marcato than with a full accent, specially the 2nd and 3rd accented chords.

All in all, the piece isn't really difficult, but that also depends on the child, its level, and of course, the detail and care with which you want them to perform.

Kind regards,
Daniel–Ømicrón.

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3 hours ago, Omicronrg9 said:

You have the very same phrase later on and you don't use it. Did you want it to make it shorter?

Yup, I wanted it to be shorter the first time round. 

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using a quarter note with a Marcato symbol 

Ok noted, changed.

3 hours ago, Omicronrg9 said:

Measures like 28-29 seem more complicated to me or M39

agreed its more complicated. I asked the other portion becos of the range it covers, that can be a stretch for an average children's pieces.

 

3 hours ago, Omicronrg9 said:

I think marcato would better suit the piece rather than an ordinary accent

actually now that I think about it, yea...I should use marcatos in place of some of the accents, esp for 

 

3 hours ago, Omicronrg9 said:

passage starting at M50

 

3 hours ago, Omicronrg9 said:

may be better performed marcato than with a full accent, specially the 2nd and 3rd accented chords.

Yea. changing to marcato for these 2 accents would make it easier to jump to the next chord. Changed.

Thanks for the feedbacks!

Edited by Aw Ke Shen
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I think this piece is ridiculously difficult!  Even for an average adult, there's a lot of repeated banging away on the same chord over and over and the technique required for that kind of playing is very physically demanding and tiring.  Not to mention that children's hands are smaller and usually can't even reach an octave like adults can.  I personally wouldn't be able to play this piece myself even though I've played Chopin and Ravel.  Those are my thoughts.  Thanks for sharing!

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I think the octaves make this piece not suitable for children, an average eight year old (which is the approximate age pieces for children are meant for) can barely reach a seventh. And on top of that putting chords with octaves and octave chord jumps to would be difficult for a child (jumping technique is usually got by improvisation or etudes and I don’t think children usually improvise nor they play etudes)

but the scherznado mood will make MOST children like the piece 

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9 hours ago, PeterthePapercomPoser said:

I think this piece is ridiculously difficult!  Even for an average adult, there's a lot of repeated banging away on the same chord over and over and the technique required for that kind of playing is very physically demanding and tiring.

 

5 hours ago, Jqh73o said:

I think the octaves make this piece not suitable for children

Actually, yea.

I have removed the three big jumps so that it is at least playable to most, even if not children. Updated score  : https://musescore.com/user/62605720/scores/11934358

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