Music and the concept "Boring"

Looks like someone is having a bad day.

What got into you today?

I'll go and give it a shot to answer that.

Saulsmusic maybe?

;)

:unsure: :w00t:

You mean Mendy?

You know they say that his music is almost perfect...

Sheesh, how old are you? 10? 2 1/2?

Mendelssohn's music is almost all consonants.

Why the wedge huh?

What got into all of you today.. ? Cant you say a statement about Mendy without been attacked?

Mendelssohn's music is almost all consonants.

Why the wedge huh?

What got into all of you today.. ? Cant you say a statement about Mendy without been attacked?

Mendy isn't my favorite

Wedge? There's dissonance everywhere in music, even in just simple 7th chords. Like it or not, Mendy isn't almost ALL consonants, as you would like to believe

Mendelssohn's music is almost all consonants.

That doesn't make it good music

Mendy isn't my favorite

Wedge? There's dissonance everywhere in music, even in just simple 7th chords. Like it or not, Mendy isn't almost ALL consonants, as you would like to believe

That doesn't make it good music

Mendelssohn's music is mainly made from consonants.. you think I just made that up?.. I have read it in a book also saw it on some articles and I have sight read his music.. and that is true...

This is what I read..

choosing not to believe me is another question...

Mendelssohn's music is mainly made from consonants.. you think I just made that up.. I have read it in a book also saw it on some articles and I have sight read his music.. and that is true...

Not going to deny that, I can't know everything you do and everything you say

To say that he used many consonants is alright, to say he used NOTHING but consonances or almost all is wrong, because even in many standard chords and keys, there is dissonance, some is harsher than others.

Even a simple 7th chord uses the Leading tone and Tonic at the same time, that produces dissonance. His violin concerto uses dissonance a good bit in the orchestration for example

Yes.. but I said "mainly" and "almost".

and it means?

that he used "consonants"?

I presume as well that you actually mean he used consonance (not consonants... that would make him rather difficult to understand, with no vowels at all).

Just in the first two lines of his piano trio in D minor I can read at least 8 distinct dissonances (Edition Peters). What makes the piece interesting is the dissonance in the FIRST place.

Mendelssohn used plenty of dissonance. As did all the composers of his day. He used 7th chords, he used suspensions, he used apoggiaturas, he used pedals, and LOTS of other forms of dissonance.

Saul, you are evidently NOT the person to be giving anyone else music lessons here. I really don't give a rat's patooty WHAT you've read. Since you obviously did not understand it, it is totally meaningless. You can parrot all the quotes from all teh books you want, if you yourself have NO idea what it is you are saying then your word carries no weight what so ever.

What's gotten into me, you ask?

You.

You are incredibly annoying.

You come in here and are telling everyone what they should do, what they should say.

You even have the nerve to "correct" the first movement of my Symphony in C and tell me how you would have "improved" it.

All I can tell you now is:

Learn to write a proper score.

Learn how the various instruments work together and alone.

Learn some basic harmony and counterpoint.

Do all of that, THEN come back and dare to tell people how to compose their music.

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To everyone else here, I apologize for this very unprofessional outburst. Unfortunately, even professionals have limits.

sincerely apologetic

Michel

What boggles me is that Saul is 29 years old, you'd think he would know better

and it means?

that he used "consonants"?

I presume as well that you actually mean he used consonance (not consonants... that would make him rather difficult to understand, with no vowels at all).

Just in the first two lines of his piano trio in D minor I can read at least 8 distinct dissonances (Edition Peters). What makes the piece interesting is the dissonance in the FIRST place.

Mendelssohn used plenty of dissonance. As did all the composers of his day. He used 7th chords, he used suspensions, he used apoggiaturas, he used pedals, and LOTS of other forms of dissonance.

Saul, you are evidently NOT the person to be giving anyone else music lessons here. I really don't give a rat's patooty WHAT you've read. Since you obviously did not understand it, it is totally meaningless. You can parrot all the quotes from all teh books you want, if you yourself have NO idea what it is you are saying then your word carries no weight what so ever.

What's gotten into me, you ask?

You.

You are incredibly annoying.

You come in here and are telling everyone what they should do, what they should say.

You even have the nerve to "correct" the first movement of my Symphony in C and tell me how you would have "improved" it.

All I can tell you now is:

Learn to write a proper score.

Learn how the various instruments work together and alone.

Learn some basic harmony and counterpoint.

Do all of that, THEN come back and dare to tell people how to compose their music.

***

To everyone else here, I apologize for this very unprofessional outburst. Unfortunately, even professionals have limits.

sincerely apologetic

Michel

Congratulations for losing it.

What's with you man?

I'm not allowed to say a critic on your work or give any suggestions just because I'm not formally trained as you?

That's pathetic.. you know?

I do know what is a consonance and a dissonance.. Darn.. Sorry for the spelling.... The greatest sin in the world right? To misspell a musical term...

You wont receive any more comments from me about your work except this :

Whatever you wrote and shall write in the future is excellent and great music.. why?

The dude got them degrees....

Congratulations for losing it.

What's with you man?

YOU! Can't you see that you're to blame for making him (and lots of us, actually) angry?

I do know what is a consonance and a dissonance.. Darn.. Sorry for the spelling.... The greatest sin in the world right? To misspell a musical term...

The greatest sin is to lie about being educated, as far as I'm concerned. Qccowboy showed how you were dead wrong and caught you in a lie.

YOU! Can't you see that you're to blame for making him (and lots of us, actually) angry?

The greatest sin is to lie about being educated, as far as I'm concerned. Qccowboy showed how you were dead wrong and caught you in a lie.

Youre angry about what?

That someone is finally standing up to your athiest beliefs?

Yes.. I can see how that can make you very angry.

About the Lie:

I didnt say any lie about Mendelssohn's music been mostly made of consonance.

I have read it , who invents such a thing...?

You guys really amaze me.. I'm amazed by you.

Youre angry about what?

Your attitude.

That someone is finally standing up to your athiest beliefs?

Yes.. I can see how that can make you very angry.

ROFL. No, I'm used to that. I love it, I get to prove my scientific views over and over and derive incredible humor from fundamentalists.

About the Lie:

I didnt say any lie about Mendelssohn's music been mostly made of consonance.

I have read it , who invents such a thing...?

You guys really amaze me.. I'm amazed by you.

And again, your comments speak against yourself.

Your attitude.

ROFL. No, I'm used to that. I love it, I get to prove my scientific views over and over and derive incredible humor from fundamentalists.

And again, your comments speak against yourself.

My attitude... ?

I also don’t like your attitude.. so we don’t like each other’s attitudes...

Is the liking of each other’s attitude in this website mandatory ?

"And again, your comments speak against yourself"

My comment's speak against myself? hmmmmm.

What is that? ..... psychological improvisational etudes your swirling at me?

Wow!

Youre angry about what?

About the Lie:

I didnt say any lie about Mendelssohn's music been mostly made of consonance.

I have read it , who invents such a thing...?

let me try and answer your question:

someone who hasn't the faintest idea about the basics of musical theory, maybe?

You said that Mendelssohn's music was nearly perfect, then you went on to affirm that it was because he used mainly consonance. And added that you had read this in a book, which was the extent of the confirmation you offered for this opinion.

1. Can you state what a dissonance in music is?

2. Can you name a few types of dissonance?

3. Can you identify the type of resolution necessary for each type?

If the use of consonance is the barometer by which one judges a music's "perfection" then the music of Palestrina FAR outranks that of Mendelssohn.

As a matter of fact, a lot of pop music fits the definition of "perfection" through the utter avoidance of dissonance.

I have posed three questions for you.

Without resorting to searching the internet or digging up sterile answers in a text book, can you answer them?

Can you give a notational example of them as well?

My attitude... ?

I also don

let me try and answer your question:

someone who hasn't the faintest idea about the basics of musical theory, maybe?

You said that Mendelssohn's music was nearly perfect, then you went on to affirm that it was because he used mainly consonance. And added that you had read this in a book, which was the extent of the confirmation you offered for this opinion.

1. Can you state what a dissonance in music is?

2. Can you name a few types of dissonance?

3. Can you identify the type of resolution necessary for each type?

If the use of consonance is the barometer by which one judges a music's "perfection" then the music of Palestrina FAR outranks that of Mendelssohn.

As a matter of fact, a lot of pop music fits the definition of "perfection" through the utter avoidance of dissonance.

I have posed three questions for you.

Without resorting to searching the internet or digging up sterile answers in a text book, can you answer them?

Can you give a notational example of them as well?

What is this youre testing me?

Consonance , if not the only Barometer to measure perfection it surely is one of the major ones. I cant believe Im getting such a crowd. I wasnt even trying to argue I just stated something I've read and I have been attacked for it.

Why? I still dont know..

What is this youre testing me?

Consonance , if not the only Barometer to measure perfection it surely is one of the major ones. I cant believe Im getting such a crowd. I wasnt even trying to argue I just stated something I've read and I have been attacked for it.

Why? I still dont know..

Bwahahahahaha! The Barometer to measure perfection? Of anything, a masterful use of dissonance is a better barometer to measure perfection! Although there is no such barometer. Perfection is both impossible to obtain and impossible to measure against.

Oh, far from it, but remember, you're insulting the very thing composers are known for.

No, I mean your own comments are record of your lie. You cannot worm your way out of it. You lied. You pretended to be educated then Qccowboy proved you wrong. It's that simple.

I pretneded to be educated in what?

Music? I have never said that I have any degrees or attended music schools .. I just passed down something Ive read for crying out lowed... your guys are horrible .. whats with you folks?

I pretneded to be educated in what?

Music? I have never said that I have any degrees or attended music schools .. I just passed down something Ive read for crying out lowed... your guys are horrible .. whats with you folks?

Oh yes, you passed down a blatant lie that any music student could dispel. But you passed it down as fact. An education proves you wrong. A basic education proves you wrong. It is your fault for not catching such embarrassing mistakes.

What is with us folks is you.

Saul, you state that you've read that Mendelssohn's music finds its quailty in his use of consonance.

Music, by its very essence, is made of consonance and dissonance. Music that is entirely consonant would be the most boring, flacid, and colourless music imagineable.

I believe you either misread what your are attempting to cite, or your source is laughably off-course.

If you had stated that "Mendelssohn, through his brilliant use of tension and release, of dissonance and consonance, had achieved musically what can only be termed as 'coming near to perfection' ", then I would say, you are probably right. Mendelssohn DID have a wonderful knack for judiciously selecting his dissonances and the care he took in resolving them truly is a delight to behold.

I AM particularly fond of his D minor piano trio. It's a work I've taken great pleasure in performing many times. And I can assure you that that trio is LOADED with dissonance. To say anything else is a demonstration of the worst sort of ignorance.

You wonder why I was asking you to answer those questions?

You think I was merely "Testing" you to ridicule you or something?

I was trying to make you THINK about what you had said.

You made a statement related to music theory that was patently false.

By answering the questions you would have demonstrated whether you were making this false statement out of malicious intent, or out of ignorance.

If you have no idea WHAT a dissonance is in the first place, then it is pretty useless for you to spout on about the subject. Does that not make sense?

By repeating something from some article or book you've read, without having any foundation for the understanding of what it IS you are repeating, is not the best way to ingratiate yourself with others, among whom are people with the foundation you lack.

I know what is a dissonance and a consonance. I also remember what I read very well. Mendelssohn's harmony is very strict and uses very few dissonances. The dissonances makes things little pepped up and colorful, I know that, But Mendelssohn had his way of composing ....

I know what is a dissonance and a consonance. I also remember what I read very well. Mendelssohn's harmony is very strict and uses very few dissonances. The dissonances makes things little pepped up and colorful, I know that, But Mendelssohn had his way of composing ....

Score study exposes much more than "very few"dissonances.

Yes, Galt, but score studies also imply that the person in question has more intellectual faculties at his disposal than, say, a pulse.

Yes, Galt, but score studies also imply that the person in question has more intellectual faculties at his disposal than, say, a pulse.

True. Unfortunately I'm afraid I'm asking too much of certain people here to do research.