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Guest JohnGalt
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Someone made an automatic reed making machine for bassoon reeds. Problem is it runs between $2,500 and $5,000.

  • 3 weeks later...
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I play all double reeds...=p The reason there aren't as many double reeds left is that there is not such thing as a stupid double reed player. Ever notice that? We're all pretty much the cream of the crop when it comes to our intellectual superiority, the the rest of the populous cannot keep up with that.

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We're all pretty much the cream of the crop when it comes to our intellectual superiority, the the rest of the populous cannot keep up with that.
I guess that's a good sign for me then! In my recent Woodwind Techniques class, I was much better at oboe than clarinet, flute, or saxophone. Oboe is in fact easier for me than any instrument save piano and possibly french horn. Too bad I don't own one, huh? :D

But it's on my shopping list for when I have money!

Guest JohnGalt
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I play all double reeds...=p The reason there aren't as many double reeds left is that there is not such thing as a stupid double reed player. Ever notice that? We're all pretty much the cream of the crop when it comes to our intellectual superiority, the the rest of the populous cannot keep up with that.

My, there's a lot of double reeds though:

Main Western orchestral instruments

* bassoon

o Tenoroon

o contrabassoon

* heckelphone

o Piccolo heckelphone

* mini bassoon

* oboe

o Piccolo oboe

o oboe d'amore

o cor anglais (english horn)

o bass oboe

* sarrusophone

o Contrabass Sarrusophone

Period instruments

Instruments where the reed is enclosed in a windcap

* cornamuse

* crumhorn

* kortholt

* rauschpfeife

Instruments where the reed is not enclosed in a windcap

* baroque bassoon

* baroque oboe

* dulcian

* oboe da caccia

* rackett

* shawm

Other instruments

* bagpipes

* bombarde

* duduk

* dulzaina

* guan

* hichiriki

* hojok

* nadaswaram

* organs

* piffero

* pi nai (used in piphat)

* piri

* shehnai

* sralai

* sopila

* suona

* surnay

* tarogato (early)

* tromboon

I want to learn them all!

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I hope you don't tie bassoon reeds at 72mm...

heh.....no I dont make bassoon reeds. Hence my username. But really, tying an oboe reed at 70 mm....you just don't do that. It would come out flat. Very flat. All of my reeds except for like...one...play perfectly in tune 95% of the time. (When played with a tuner) I really don't know where that information on the other page came from, but it is a little off.

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And John Galt:

All of those instuments pretty much share the same fingerings. Bassoon does with the bass instruments (except bass oboe) and oboe does with treble instruments. I do play the bagpipes as well. I am completely Scottish. I even have a kilt. tehe.

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I really don't think the tromboons can actually be composed for, though.

Whyever not? Perhaps conventional notation would be difficult to pitch accurately, but it'd certainly be possible.

And John Galt:

All of those instuments pretty much share the same fingerings. Bassoon does with the bass instruments (except bass oboe) and oboe does with treble instruments. I do play the bagpipes as well. I am completely Scottish. I even have a kilt. tehe.

The bassoon is the odd one out with fingering as it does not conform to Boehm's system. The modern (currently most popular) Flute, Oboe, Saxophone and Clarinet families are all of the Boehm fingering system and are therefore very similar. The Clarinet has extra keys to accomodate the 12th instead of octave but other than that works to the Boehm system. The saxophone has a different system from the flute to accomodate the octave key that it has but the flute doesn't have. Boehm worked on the flute's fingering - and then that fingering migrated to other instruments.

Interestingly enough, a Boehm bassoon was tried out. However, the complexity of the key system made the instrument so heavy (and I think there were tuning difficulties too) that the system never caught on. The current German bassoon system is essentially the same system that Heckel and Almanraeder invented in the 1800's. The French bassoon is basically a classical bassoon with extra keys to make it easier to play.

Highland bagpipes are probably a baroque flute type fingering - like the current 'recorder' (the recorder is 'flute a bec').

The orchestral woodwinds share one common thing: in their own families, the fingerings are almost the same per instrument. Meaning an alto flute is fingered the same way as a piccolo flute which is fingered the same way as a 'grand' flute. Various alternatives are implemented to acoomodate peculiarities for whatever instrument - and the piccolo flute only goes down to D. The contrabassoon's fingerings are largely the same as the bassoon until you get to the upper registers. The clarinets and saxophones are probably the two families which have the most homogenous fingerings throughout their members.

Guest JohnGalt
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Holy crap, I just image-googled a rauschpfeife, and I totally want one now.

look there's one on ebay for like $96!!! And it includes a reed! LOL.

ebay rauschpfeife

I bet the reed is 1/4 that total price :P

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There are around 7 or 8 bassoons in my high school alone... I find that rather impressive, but it's not really because most of them don't care about the instrument. We have only a few oboes in my school, there's like 3 or 4.

Anyways, even though I've never played a bassoon, I have done a lot of studying up on it, I've read books, listened to all kinds of bassoon pieces and pretty much I'm beyond obsessed. I'd really love to be a bassoon performance major.:mellow:

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